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quote:Originally posted by Kirby
Imagine if it got out that the only diff between the new 180 and the "High Output" was computer programming.......Now you know why they are running like bandits to keep the aftermarket guys off balance!!!!!
WHY NO NEW ENGINE?---It would be much too expensive for DCX to :
A) Create a whole new build line to create a new engine
B) Have a different acquisition and assembly proceedures
C) Track and manage a whole new driveline package
D) Do specific quality and durability testing on a package that might only be 15-20% of the PT sales. (They do NOT want to have to deal with warranty!)
They have just reprogrammed the 215hp; timing, advance curves, torque and HP limits, fuel delivery.
!! -ZAP- !! Viola...MUCH CHEAPER 180 ENGINE!!!
This is the same reasoning behind selling you the extra HP that is already in your 215HP engine, just in reverse! It does make you wonder why they would go through all the DEQ on the 180 and not bother with the Stage I & II PCM ?
MB has been notorious for equating HP and sales price.....look at the Misfire; a restyled SLK with the outdated suspension and drivetrain (they jettisoned the old stuff this year because it just wasn't up to the competition). MB has limited the Misfire to a little over 200HP, while you can buy the SLK with almost 400HP in the AMG version.
P.S.(By the way the modified version has full warranty, imagine that!)
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I agree that the PT light pressure turbo is most likely the exact same engine hardware as found on the GT. However I suspect the tuning limitation is purely mass-air limitations. Cut timing, and you loose economy. Cut fuel is only done to limit RPM - and it is an all or nothing situation. Scaling back fuel is a bad idea on any gasoline engine.
So why sell a 180 hp version? You can sell it with a lesser transmission, brakes, etc. With reduced torque, you don't need the autostick trans. The standard unit works fine apparently.
Of course you don't need to buy the 180 HP version - it's not for me. Get the "220 hp" version.
What makes it cheaper is the package. Also someone who is looking at this package will appreciate the 87 octane tune for less expensive fill-ups. With the lesser octane you will not get the higher output safely anyway.
Buy the AMG as a package (with the car), and yes you get a waranty. Buy the parts and install them yourself, and the situation is different.
By a Saleen Mustang, and you get a waranty. Buy Ford Racing Parts, and you don't.
However buy a TRD supercharger for your Toyota 4Runner and have it installed at a participating dealer, and you get a waranty. This seems reasonable. However I suspect they played it safe on the tune to ensure they can waranty it.
It is hard to have it all, but you have choices... If you don't like what is offered, don't buy it.
I have no idea what you are trying accomplish to compare to with the SLK vs. Crossfire.
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