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quote:Originally posted by ptgtcb
If PVO would have designed the system to pass CARB in the first place we would not be having this conversation and do not tell me it was not possible or expensive, we do it every day and we do not have all the Factory engineering sitting in front of us, we have to disect the ECU, which can cost some money. All the original R&D should have included CARB exemption. Apparently the Stage I PCM is not OBD II compliant and the stage I-II-III........ Were never intended to be emissions legal from the start and easily could have been. My guess is there was a rush to market it.
What I now ask is why the original B.S. I received from TurboG and BJ@DCX that the kits were pending CARB approval when all along they were never designed to be and never could be! For a company not to be able to see the benefits to emissions legal performance parts is uncomprehensible,stuuupid.
Those of you who say well don't buy it are missing the point, we could have had the same performance and be emissions compliant if PVO would have took the initiative, not the shortcut. Could have been the best of both worlds, instead the best of no worlds.
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Okay. Let's presume I (and Dodgetweaker) haven't been over this several times. The CARB EO process is expensive if it is done right. It is not impossible to obtain, nor is the system designed to explicitly not pass any emissions test. OBDII is a comprehensive set of diagnostics that monitors roughly 2400 processes simultaneously, making sure if the engine does malfunction the subsystem that caused it is properly identified for ease of service (ie getting a polluting car back in compliance without having to go to the dealer ten times). Making sure those diagnostics function is HARD (read expensive). I dare you to find any other OBDII-compliant performance upgrade (with the exception of Toyota's blowers - it's the only one we could find). OBDI is dead simple to pass - and that is where most of the perfomance market is.
Having said all that, there are several PT and SRT owners with Stage 1 in california who HAVE PASSED the e-check. HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? Obviously if the kit is not legal (not supporting all 2400 diagnostics), then it shouldn't pass - right? No, actually the e-check only checks 16 monitors. And the sniffer was no sweat. All the CARB Executive Order requires is certification that the modification does not effect emissions in ANY WAY. Well, the expensive part for us is making three of those 2400 monitors function when the engine operates outside the zone it was intended. After a year of study, we said on several different occasions: we will be pursuing EO numbers and we won't be. It was news to me that the matter settled on the latter.
I could go on and on, but I really haven't the energy to contradict everything said. Maybe a few more brave souls will try the e-check and report back their experience.