Need Exhaust Advise

[NkBkGt]

I'm wondering what you guys are doing when replacing
the stock muffler, cause i noticed that the inlet hole doesn't
line up with the outlet hole in the facia. Am i just supposed
to hack saw the pipe right before the muffler and add the new
peice(what will i need 2 1/4" i.d.?) I'm thinking instead of a
straight thru muffler, can I put a straight tip or
maybe a resonated tip in place of a muffler? How does a
resonated tip compare to a staight thru muffler sound wise?
What I'm looking to put on is an oval design.
I'd apprecaite any advise on this. TXS Nick

[COP TZER]

just get a straight through muffler. Or just run a pipe in place, essentially deleting the muffler. Deleting the muffler will make it a lot louder, so just keep that in mind. If you are gonna use a universal muffler look for one with stagered in/outs...

[Gary04GT]

PT-Tuning http://www.pt-tuning.com/performance...ackSingle.html makes a "drop-in" straight-through muffler for $225.95--"Features T-304 Aircraft Quality Stainless Steel 2-1/4" Mandrel-bent Tubing, TIG Welded polished Muffler Body with Polished Inter-cooled Tip, Easy Bolt-on Installation using factory mounting locations, Ground Strap Lug on Muffler. This PERFORMANCE system has a deep sporty sound in the turbo application -- not too loud...Now – Specially tuned for the 2003 GT Turbo! (Still works great with non-turbo, too!)"

Understand it's an "easy install" according to others on the forum.

Just a consideration. Good luck.

[turbomangt]

THE BTG DUAL STSTEM IS THE BEST MOD I HAVE DONE TO MY CAR TO DATE>AND SOON YOU WILL SEE THEM ALL

[PVO PT]

Mufflers=lost horsepower! I have a dynomax race muffler wich is basicly a perf. resonator. that is my sugestion. also ditch the cat

[COP TZER]

yeah, ditch the cat if you can get away with it where you are. Unfortunately i regularly have to undergo spot checks conducted by the cops, and have enough trouble as it is trying to convince them why i don't have any mufflers

[NkBkGt]

Thank for the answers, someone suggested using a cherry bomb
glass pack. Kinda like the idea, cause its so small in diameter.
If it's painted black, it would hardly be noticeable. I think
that'll be a nice look
Txs nick



This will probably work good,cause has the offset pipes to hook up
on the stock setup. then all i'll need is the Oval tip

[COP TZER]

i guess it's personal preference, but i've heard those systems on a couple of cars and wasn't that impressed with the tone..but then again i stress its just not for ME...good luck with your decision

[Jeff V]

Posted by an engineer at www.horsepower411 forum, really good exhaust reading...

Here's the link: http://www.horsepower411.com/forum/s...b&threadid=109

Here's the text:

Turbo cars and Exhaust pipe size explained, finally!

A very common question that always seems to come up during conversations about turbo charged automobiles is which exhaust system setup is best, now the mystery has been explained!

Here are the following excerpts are from Jay Kavanaugh, a turbosystems engineer at Garret, responding to a thread on http://www.impreza.net regarding exhaust design and exhaust theory:




“Howdy,

This thread was brought to my attention by a friend of mine in hopes of shedding some light on the issue of exhaust size selection for turbocharged vehicles. Most of the facts have been covered already. FWIW I'm an turbocharger development engineer for Garrett Engine Boosting Systems.

N/A cars: As most of you know, the design of turbo exhaust systems runs counter to exhaust design for n/a vehicles. N/A cars utilize exhaust velocity (not backpressure) in the collector to aid in scavenging other cylinders during the blowdown process. It just so happens that to get the appropriate velocity, you have to squeeze down the diameter of the discharge of the collector (aka the exhaust), which also induces backpressure. The backpressure is an undesirable byproduct of the desire to have a certain degree of exhaust velocity. Go too big, and you lose velocity and its associated beneficial scavenging effect. Too small and the backpressure skyrockets, more than offsetting any gain made by scavenging. There is a happy medium here.

For turbo cars, you throw all that out the window. You want the exhaust velocity to be high upstream of the turbine (i.e. in the header). You'll notice that primaries of turbo headers are smaller diameter than those of an n/a car of two-thirds the horsepower. The idea is to get the exhaust velocity up quickly, to get the turbo spooling as early as possible. Here, getting the boost up early is a much more effective way to torque than playing with tuned primary lengths and scavenging. The scavenging effects are small compared to what you'd get if you just got boost sooner instead. You have a turbo; you want boost. Just don't go so small on the header's primary diameter that you choke off the high end.

Downstream of the turbine (aka the turboback exhaust), you want the least backpressure possible. No ifs, ands, or buts. Stick a Hoover on the tailpipe if you can. The general rule of "larger is better" (to the point of diminishing returns) of turboback exhausts is valid. Here, the idea is to minimize the pressure downstream of the turbine in order to make the most effective use of the pressure that is being generated upstream of the turbine. Remember, a turbine operates via a pressure ratio. For a given turbine inlet pressure, you will get the highest pressure ratio across the turbine when you have the lowest possible discharge pressure. This means the turbine is able to do the most amount of work possible (i.e. drive the compressor and make boost) with the available inlet pressure.

Again, less pressure downstream of the turbine is goodness. This approach minimizes the time-to-boost (maximizes boost response) and will improve engine VE throughout the rev range.

As for 2.5" vs. 3.0", the "best" turboback exhaust depends on the amount of flow, or horsepower. At 250 hp, 2.5" is fine. Going to 3" at this power level won't get you much, if anything, other than a louder exhaust note. 300 hp and you're definitely suboptimal with 2.5". For 400-450 hp, even 3" is on the small side.”

"As for the geometry of the exhaust at the turbine discharge, the most optimal configuration would be a gradual increase in diameter from the turbine's exducer to the desired exhaust diameter-- via a straight conical diffuser of 7-12° included angle (to minimize flow separation and skin friction losses) mounted right at the turbine discharge. Many turbochargers found in di

[Parts Peddler GT]

Can anyone tell me why there is a ground strap on the muffler? I know Chrysler wouldn't put it there if it wasn't necessary but why is it necessary? Would removing it have any affect on the electrical system or ECU? Anybody???