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Old 20 Feb 2003, 11:48 pm
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Default Manual vs Autoshifter

I'm looking at a Limited and I'm wondering why it is so hard to convince the dealer I'd like a clutch. Am I really losing a lot of performance if I join the majority of Americans and do without one? Thanks for any opinions/experience here.

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Old 21 Feb 2003, 04:44 am
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I don't have the data on hand, but the stick makes a large difference on the LE's "fun to drive" meter (at least it did on the '01). Since you are inclined to driving a stick to start with, I'm guessing it would be a mistake for you to get the automatic.

Dealers around here (Indiana) very rarely have anything on the lot with manual transmissions. If they do, it's on a bargain basement model. It's hard for them to conceive that you might want a Limited Edition AND a stick. I had them search other dealers' inventories for my GT. They finally found one 80 miles away and were able to trade for it.

I'd seen an article on the GT that said Chrysler had hoped to sell 25% of them with the Gertrag 5-speed. If that's true, I'm not sure why they didn't start making them until December. I also wonder where that might ever be true (maybe California?). Certainly not here.

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Old 21 Feb 2003, 05:41 am
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*Fuel Economy: 20 (City) / 28 (Highway)

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*Acceleration: 0-60 mph in 9.5 sec.***1/4-mile in 17.0 sec.
*Top Speed: 112 mph
*Fuel Economy: 22 (City) / 32 (Highway)

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Old 21 Feb 2003, 07:58 am
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The reason your having a hard time convicing them is because they will have most likley have the Auto on hand and stand to make a lager comish on it. Also since the auto costs more to begin with. It is a matter of preference, if you want the stick than you may have to wait for one. If your lucky and you dealer can track one down the wait wouldn't be that long but if he has to order one the wait could be very long depending on the dealer's volume.<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Old 21 Feb 2003, 03:23 pm
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I have a GT Turbo with Auto-stick. The shifts are crisp and quick and with the turbo gearing, I'll bet there is very little difference between the auto and manual.

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Old 22 Feb 2003, 02:03 am
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The advantage of an auto or stick is basically do you want the thrill of a stick or the ease of an auto. The only convincing for the dealer should be, "Do you want to make the sale or do I go elsewhere?"
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Old 22 Feb 2003, 08:47 am
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My two thoughts on the subject are: Heavy traffic sucks with a stick. If you live in a heavy populated metropolitan area and drive the cruiser back and forth to work in stop and go traffic...there's no "thrill" with a stick. Second, if you plan on only having the PT for a couple of years, the automatic will bring a better price when you sell/trade it.

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Old 22 Feb 2003, 12:50 pm
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since i bought my ptgt its been at the dealer getting a face lift after getting plowed into the first day i bought it. I have been driving a pt rental back and forth from my work at a metro hospital in the twin cities. Mine has the five speed the rental has the auto, in heavy metro traffic I would take the auto anyday...lots of rowing with the five
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Old 22 Feb 2003, 10:06 pm
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Thanks for the input. I appreciate it. I do indeed drive in heavy traffic to work at a local hospital every day and have now driven the autostick. It's not the same acceleration as what I have in my 5spd Xterra V-6, but who's accelerating much in that traffic!

I think I could learn to live with being shiftless without a lot of effort. But I'm distressed that the Internet Manager gave me a basic "invoice price" on the LE of around $21,400. That sounds a lot like what I'm seeing for MSRP. Am I mistaken?

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Old 23 Feb 2003, 07:31 am
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it is msrp. I went net to buy mine and jacked three dealers until one blinked and met my price. my ptgt with the 2br package I got for 22,700 before the rebate and new grad discount (msrp was just shy of 26,000). They want to move cars, stand your guns and playem off each other. I never walked into the dealer till I had a firm deal that I wanted and told the net dealer if anything changed I would walk.
would have been a big smile except for the woman that ran into me the day i bought it

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