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Old 02 Sep 2009, 11:37 am
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Default How does the PT handle in snow/ice conditions? What is a cracked manifold - run?

Hello; I am considering purchasing a 2001 PT cruiser fully loaded. At this time I don't have much mileage information, but I do know the following. Right now, the dealer (small time, local guy) purchased the vehicle from one of the Chrysler dealers in the area because the previous owner traded it in. He said that previous owner put quite a bit of money into the car (~1,000K) - the front end looks very clean and new and that the repair shop she took the car to kept throwing in new parts instead of correctly diagnosing the problem. He said that he pulled a code relating to the 02 censor, he replaced it but kept getting a code. He mentioned a few other parts that were replaced by the previous shop. He said that he had a lightbulb moment and checked to see if the manifold was cracked - it is, and that that's why the code is coming up. He said he's pretty sure he can repair that, check it to see if the code clears, and will see if the vehicle passes inspection. If not, he said he wont sell it to me and will put it out to the auction. My question is...

1) What is a cracked manifold? If its cracked and has been repaired is this something I want to take on? Or should I just run?

2) If its OK to purchase, how is this vehicle in the snow. I live in the Adirondacks and we get quite a bit of snow. I want to feel safe...because right now I am driving a Geo Metro and I don't feel safe at all!

Thanks so much!
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Old 02 Sep 2009, 11:54 am
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Default Re: How does the PT handle in snow/ice conditions? What is a cracked manifold - run?

My '01 does well as a ski car here in the Washington Cascades. It also did well in the flatlands of the Chicago suburbs last winter.

Sorry, don't know anything about manifolds.
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Old 02 Sep 2009, 01:14 pm
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Default Re: How does the PT handle in snow/ice conditions? What is a cracked manifold - run?

Welcome to the Forum. As to the manifold, it should be replaced either by a new one or one from a recycle yard. It is not a real big problem, but if it was mine I would get it fixed.
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Old 02 Sep 2009, 01:20 pm
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Amberly, welcome to the forum. If the problem is just the upper plastic manifold and it's cracked, it can be replaced quite easily. You say you can't give us the mileage right now but the PT could be very close to a costly preventative maintenance that you might not want take on. I'm talking about the timing belt and parts that goes with it. It will cost around $1000 and needs to be done somewhere around 90-100,000 mile mark. No matter what the mileage you also want to have a competent mechanic check over the whole front end to include brakes, rotors, tie rods, half shafts and cv joints and wheel bearings.
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Old 03 Sep 2009, 01:14 am
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Default Re: How does the PT handle in snow/ice conditions? What is a cracked manifold - run?

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how is this vehicle in the snow. I live in the Adirondacks and we get quite a bit of snow.
I live in heart of the Canadian Prairies and probably get more snow than you and have tried my car out in the winter so I feel that I am qualified to tell you that you need a decent snow tire on the car. If it has the standard "Good for a Year" tires then you will suffer.

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Old 03 Sep 2009, 08:12 pm
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Probably talking about the exhaust manifold. It's a cast iron piece that the burned fuel and air comes from the 4 exhaust ports into 1 exhaust pipe. Not a real common failure but has been known to happen. Shouldn't be too expensive, around 3 to 5 hundred dollars.
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Hi Amberly,
Do you know what the code was that was popping up?
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Old 05 Sep 2009, 09:38 pm
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I played with the ABS and the traction control last year in what little snow we had and was rather pleased. Both did a nice job even on the somewhat worn all season tires. The traction control uses the brakes to transfer power from the spinning to the non spinning wheel, sort of a poor man's limited slip. It sounds a little strange in operation but it works.

I would think a cracked exhaust manifold would be obvious from the ticking noise it usually makes. Be sure the code doesn't indicate worse but I am not surprised at an O2 sensor code with a cracked manifold.
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Old 05 Sep 2009, 09:59 pm
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I just bought mine a few months ago, so I'm hoping so living in michigan.... Guess I'll see...
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