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Old 25 Mar 2010, 08:43 pm
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Default Dead PT need help

Here is my problem: Car died in the middle of traffic. Cranks but doesn't start. It's throwing error code P0440 and P0441. I have no idea what is wrong or how to fix it.

Car is a 03 2.4 NA engine touring edition, no mods. everything is stock

Guy at the shop noted it may be the crank shaft or cam shaft sensors.

Please help!!
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Old 25 Mar 2010, 09:25 pm
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Your codes have nothing to do with the Cam or Crank sensors:

P0441 Evap Purge Flow Monitor -Insufficient or excessive vapor flow detected during evaporative emission system operation.

A Diagnostic Trouble Code indicates that the Powertrain Control Module has recognized an abnormal condition in the system. DTC's are the results of a system or circuit failure, but do not directly identify the failed component or components.

Possible causes for P0441 include:

Intermittent Condition
Checking Evap Purge Solenoid Functionality
Evap Purge Solenoid Vacuum Supply

You will need a DRB III scan tool and diagnostic manual to troubleshoot the issue.


P0440 - General EVAP System Failure

Possible causes include:

Visual and Physical Inspection
Evap Purge Solenoid Vacuum Supply Inspection
Evap Purge Solenoid Stuck Closed
NVLD Switch Operation
(Z1) Ground Circuit Open
NVLD Assembly
NVLD Switch Signal Circuit Open
Evaporative Emission Leak Detection
PCM

You can DIY the visual and physical inspection of the Evaporative Emission system, but to check the remainder of potential causes, a DRB III scan tool, diagnostic manual and assorted other automotive test equipment is necessary.

Perform a visual and physical inspection of the entire Evaporative Emission system. Check for the following conditions:

Hoses disconnected or left off
Holes or cracks
Loose seal points
Evidence of damaged components
Incorrect routing of hoses and tubes
Fuel Cap left off or bad gasket seal
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Old 25 Mar 2010, 10:39 pm
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Your codes have nothing to do with the Cam or Crank sensors:

P0441 Evap Purge Flow Monitor -Insufficient or excessive vapor flow detected during evaporative emission system operation.

A Diagnostic Trouble Code indicates that the Powertrain Control Module has recognized an abnormal condition in the system. DTC's are the results of a system or circuit failure, but do not directly identify the failed component or components.

Possible causes for P0441 include:

Intermittent Condition
Checking Evap Purge Solenoid Functionality
Evap Purge Solenoid Vacuum Supply

You will need a DRB III scan tool and diagnostic manual to troubleshoot the issue.


P0440 - General EVAP System Failure

Possible causes include:

Visual and Physical Inspection
Evap Purge Solenoid Vacuum Supply Inspection
Evap Purge Solenoid Stuck Closed
NVLD Switch Operation
(Z1) Ground Circuit Open
NVLD Assembly
NVLD Switch Signal Circuit Open
Evaporative Emission Leak Detection
PCM

You can DIY the visual and physical inspection of the Evaporative Emission system, but to check the remainder of potential causes, a DRB III scan tool, diagnostic manual and assorted other automotive test equipment is necessary.

Perform a visual and physical inspection of the entire Evaporative Emission system. Check for the following conditions:

Hoses disconnected or left off
Holes or cracks
Loose seal points
Evidence of damaged components
Incorrect routing of hoses and tubes
Fuel Cap left off or bad gasket seal
Cruizin, after reading several posts I'm beginning to believe you've been sent down by God to help his people with their PT Cruisers problems I'm glad to have you on our side, owning a PT has now become that much better knowing "Cruizin" is there putting AAA out of business!!! LOL. Thanks Cruizin, look forward to learning more about my little blue baby!
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Old 26 Mar 2010, 06:43 am
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Default Re: Dead PT need help

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Your codes have nothing to do with the Cam or Crank sensors:

P0441 Evap Purge Flow Monitor -Insufficient or excessive vapor flow detected during evaporative emission system operation.

A Diagnostic Trouble Code indicates that the Powertrain Control Module has recognized an abnormal condition in the system. DTC's are the results of a system or circuit failure, but do not directly identify the failed component or components.

Possible causes for P0441 include:

Intermittent Condition
Checking Evap Purge Solenoid Functionality
Evap Purge Solenoid Vacuum Supply

You will need a DRB III scan tool and diagnostic manual to troubleshoot the issue.


P0440 - General EVAP System Failure

Possible causes include:

Visual and Physical Inspection
Evap Purge Solenoid Vacuum Supply Inspection
Evap Purge Solenoid Stuck Closed
NVLD Switch Operation
(Z1) Ground Circuit Open
NVLD Assembly
NVLD Switch Signal Circuit Open
Evaporative Emission Leak Detection
PCM

You can DIY the visual and physical inspection of the Evaporative Emission system, but to check the remainder of potential causes, a DRB III scan tool, diagnostic manual and assorted other automotive test equipment is necessary.

Perform a visual and physical inspection of the entire Evaporative Emission system. Check for the following conditions:

Hoses disconnected or left off
Holes or cracks
Loose seal points
Evidence of damaged components
Incorrect routing of hoses and tubes
Fuel Cap left off or bad gasket seal
Thanks for the info, but would any of these faults cause the to not start?
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Old 26 Mar 2010, 07:01 am
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Default Re: Dead PT need help

Cranks but no start? Timing belt?
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Old 26 Mar 2010, 07:58 am
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Cranks but no start? Timing belt?
Agree, whats the mileage on the PT?
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Old 26 Mar 2010, 02:59 pm
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just crossed 100K on the engine.
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Old 26 Mar 2010, 03:10 pm
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Timing Belt, definately!!!
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