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Old 05 Jan 2011, 07:08 pm
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Question maneuvering gear stick without clutch?

Today I drove my pt cruiser, at 4th gear, somewhere around 30mph,1500rpm (or less), and I could get it out of gear (into neutral) without using the clutch.

I know when I'm revving up, accelerating doing this is impossible, but when it seems like the engine's rotation is about the same as the rotation from the gearbox coming from the wheels, it seems possible (when the wheels are not pushing the engine, and the engine is not pulling the wheels)

Would that be considered bad?
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Old 05 Jan 2011, 07:18 pm
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Default Re: maneuvering gear stick without clutch?

I never driven a manual PT but every other manual I have ever had could be taken out of gear with using the clutch as long as it was not under load.

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Old 05 Jan 2011, 07:28 pm
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Default Re: maneuvering gear stick without clutch?

I was more referring to "would it be bad to get it out of gear like this", not if this feat means the pt's clutch is bad or so...

I know many manuals can do this... Just wondering on the effect on the gearbox when not using the clutch...
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Old 05 Jan 2011, 08:20 pm
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Default Re: maneuvering gear stick without clutch?

it's not necessarily bad for it as i have done it occassionally. just push or pull, depending on what gear you're in, gently, then slowly give it more gas til the rpms match the speed of the gearbox and it'll slide right into neutral. i've known people that never use the clutch except for starting out or stopping and they've never harmed anything.
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Old 06 Jan 2011, 03:46 am
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Default Re: maneuvering gear stick without clutch?

heres what i found out..... in the PT you can pull it out no problem, when your foots on the gas there is no problem there eather, but if your hitting the breaks you need the clutch... that is what i found. i do this so i dont wear out the clutch comming up to a red light... works fine for me i never ground any gears or lurched the car any... used to do it on my dads 1991 ford ranger.... honestly the PT and the ford ranger drive pretty much the same way its realy weird...
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Old 07 Jan 2011, 12:49 am
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Default Re: maneuvering gear stick without clutch?

I do this sometimes, usually to shift from 3th to 4th and 4th to 5th. I accelerate, then around 3500rpm I let off the throttle while moving the shifter to neutral and when the rpms are down to around 2500 I put it in the next higher gear and I accelerate. done correctly it don't harm anything and the shifts are faster than when using the clutch.
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Old 07 Jan 2011, 10:28 pm
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Default Re: maneuvering gear stick without clutch?

I do this all day every day, I never use my clutch except to move off the line. Of coarse that's in my Freightliner, the one I drive now is a 10 speed,but, I do the same in 13 & 18 speeds....shifting up or down, it's all a matter of timing.... I guess 45 yrs give you a bit of practice
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Old 08 Jan 2011, 06:11 pm
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Default Re: maneuvering gear stick without clutch?

I can assume most posters would not use the clutch to get out of gear right?
Getting into a gear without using the clutch would be quite an achievement!

I've also noticed breaking and trying to get out of gear seems to go difficult, why would that be? Perhaps there are some high torqs on those gearboxes when braking while being in gear?
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Old 08 Jan 2011, 06:11 pm
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Default Re: maneuvering gear stick without clutch?

I can assume most posters would not use the clutch to get out of gear right?
Getting into a gear without using the clutch would be quite an achievement!

I've also noticed breaking and trying to get out of gear seems to go difficult, why would that be? Perhaps there are some high torqs on those gearboxes when braking while being in gear?
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