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Old 08 Apr 2012, 05:05 am
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Who considers a PT Cruiser GT with a stage 1 a modern muscle car in its own right & time?....who agrees and all opinions welcome--- the new Challengers and Camaros certainly are. MJB

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Old 08 Apr 2012, 05:15 am
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I'm of the old school way of thinking when it comes to muscle cars I'm afraid. Big V8 either N/A or supercharged. Some bigger V6's as well but I've never put a 4 pot turbo in that category. Not taking anything away from PT Gt's because I'd love to have one but I don't think it's in the same cat as an SRT challenger, camaro or S197 mustang (which I have as well). I don't think the designers would have considered they would be competing with those for sales at any point.

Some people in the UK refer to V8 BMW's as muscle cars but the look and design of those cars don't quite fit for me. It's got to be american in origin for a start. PT GT is a great american car and may well turn into a classic but I couldn't imagine it on a poster with "Modern day muscle" written underneath it.

I love them for what they are, a great practical car with power when you need it and you can do anything you want to them!
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Old 08 Apr 2012, 06:50 am
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Well stated Dave.
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I am told there's a local pt with a 426 hemi stuffed in. that's muscle. I just want a ricer killer is all myself lol. making hondas look bad with a caravan was fun too haha. my old man ran body shops for dodge and came home with so many cool cars. he was up there in age and he'd get me to jump in "let's go find us a camaro or mustang eh boy?" muscle car is big block v8 to me.

pt is an american made ricer with useful cargo space and a retro look
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Well stated Dave,,,, but it does hold a place somewhere, 300hp does belong in honerable mention?....... MJB (quicker than alot of V8's)
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I thought muscle cars where those with muscles?...while I agree cars like the Challenger, Camero, Mustangs are true muscle cars there are now honda,s Bmw,s and lots of others with 4-6 bangers that can easily keep up, I def wouldnt call it a ricer either..maybe the PT needs to be in a newly created catagory?...If you got the turbo, you can beat some (considered) fast cars and keep up with others,,,and also get blown away by others too...interesting question....A Classic for sure
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Well stated Dave,,,, but it does hold a place somewhere, 300hp does belong in honerable mention?....... MJB (quicker than alot of V8's)
Absolutely it does! But i wouldn't consider a subaru impreza or mitsubishi evo a muscle car despite 400bhp from each. I would say its not all out speed or even bhp rating that rates a muscle car. Its the manner in which it does it, the style, engine make up and the noise. You wouldnt say a formula 1 car was a muscle car just because it has 800 bhp? A 450 bhp ferrari or porsche? Not muscle cars to me. Good but dont have the same appeal.

Just like the pt gt is excellent but for me it does fit into a different category whatever that may be.
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the pt is a sexy lady with all the right curves and the attitude to match
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I think the category could be called modern muscle. The muscle of the 60s and 70s is an entirely different thing. But the fact that these cars can run a fourteen sec 1/4 mile with min mods can not be overlooked. most of the old muscle cars from the factory would be lucky to run these times. The other option could be the sleeper category. How about when your driving back from jewel with 3 kids your wife and aload of groceries and u pull up to a light next to a guy in a civic with his hat cocked sideways ,and annoying muffler and fourteen gauges on the pillar and the light turns green and u hand his ass to him pretty cool whatever category.
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How about when your driving back from jewel with 3 kids your wife and aload of groceries and u pull up to a light next to a guy in a civic with his hat cocked sideways ,and annoying muffler and fourteen gauges on the pillar and the light turns green and u hand his ass to him pretty cool whatever category.
dicky, take 3 steps back and THINK about what you just said. ANYBODY that would do something like that doesn't deserve to be behind the wheel of a Hugo let alone the wheel of any car with power.
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