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Old 30 Dec 2012, 02:46 am
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Default Issues starting (symptoms included)

I'm going to try to make this an easy read. Car is having intermittent issues starting. When it doesn't start, it just makes the dead battery clicking sound. Charged the battery with trickle charger and then drove it for 5-10 miles. It did not feel like starting the next morning. Decided to clean off all battery acid/corrosion from the battery terminals and then jump started it. Took it straight to Advanced Auto.


Battery last replaced: less than 2 years ago with Die Hard 565 CCA
Alternator tested: 14.4V
Battery tested at jumping posts: Needs replacement
Battery tested at battery terminals: Battery Good (2x)
Multifunction Stalk: Broken -> fog lights stay permanently off
No aftermarket alarms/stereo equipment installed

The battery wires themselves did not seem corroded. This problem has not reoccurred again this week but we had the same problem about 6 months ago. The Cruiser started up fine after a while so I stopped pursuing the culprit then. But I want to get to the bottom of it this time.

Do you think that the problem could have been caused by the dirty terminals alone or is there something else I should look into?

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Old 30 Dec 2012, 06:38 am
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Alternator tested: 14.4V
Battery tested at jumping posts: Needs replacement
Battery tested at battery terminals: Battery Good (2x)

The battery wires themselves did not seem corroded.
Looks like the problem is between the battery terminals and the jumping posts: i.e. wires. They may not seem corroded, but they may be corroded under the insulation, or have bad connections between the terminals and the posts.
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Old 30 Dec 2012, 07:35 am
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I would go through all points of connections on the cables. Use a quality anti corrosion treatment as you go. Each place were the wire is joined is a potential corrosion point. This is why I don't use aftermarket replacement ends. Doubles your chances for a bad connection.
Just make sure you clean every connection from battery to starter and battery to final ground point.
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Thanks guys. Looks like I have my work cut out for me if this problem comes back again. A good amount of battery acid came off from the wire terminals on the battery (which I've read could be caused by the design of the air intake that traps moisture in the battery terminal area). Hopefully that was the end of it, but I wanted to be prepared in case she become uncooperative again (can't have too much downtime).
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Next time you have the no start issue, turn on your headlights. I bet you will find that they go off when you try to crank the engine over. This would confirm that the main battery connections are bad/corroded.
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Thanks guys. Looks like I have my work cut out for me if this problem comes back again. A good amount of battery acid came off from the wire terminals on the battery (which I've read could be caused by the design of the air intake that traps moisture in the battery terminal area). Hopefully that was the end of it, but I wanted to be prepared in case she become uncooperative again (can't have too much downtime).
The design flaw is the fact it's hard to see that it's happening.
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Old 31 Dec 2012, 05:29 pm
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I would go through all points of connections on the cables. Use a quality anti corrosion treatment as you go. Each place were the wire is joined is a potential corrosion point. This is why I don't use aftermarket replacement ends. Doubles your chances for a bad connection.
Just make sure you clean every connection from battery to starter and battery to final ground point.
Annnnnd it's back. Almost went a week and I thought we were in the clear.

Busted, so what you are saying is not to replace anything but just go through the cable connections and apply anti corrosion treatment (guessing this is something I can buy at Advanced Auto)? I just posted up a deal for new batteries for only $65 but I don't want to pull the trigger if that isn't going to solve the problem.

Guy testing the battery said that the insulation around the cables didn't show swelling (which is apparently a sign of corroded wires).
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Do you drive the car enough to charge the battery? Always start okay with a jump? Try wiggling the cables on the battery - you should not be able to move them.
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Old 04 Jan 2013, 08:08 pm
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Thanks for the responses.

So there is a 1 amp draw when the vehicle is off.


Like I said before, the multifunction switch is broken. Is it possible that the car may have a problem relating to this? I'm going to search on these forums for common sources for a draw but in the meantime, has anyone else experienced anything like this? Causes for a draw?
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One amp draw is a lot. Pull one fuse at a time, fuse 13 is for interior lights. Check your sun visors too. I just purchase a fuse draw tester, and found my iPod adapter was drawing 100 mA. You should have about 50mA or less after about 3 mins after you turn everything off.

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