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Old 11 Jul 2015, 07:40 pm
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The ABS and traction Control lights have been coming on intermittently for a few weeks, so I decided to check the fuse. It's #33 in the TIPM. No codes with the key dance.

Strange results. At least to me! If I hook the Alligator clip from the test lite to the negative wire on the battery or the bolt that connects it to the battery, I don"t get power at the fuse.

If I move the alligator clip to negative jump start bolt or the bolt that the ground wire hooks to, Bingo, I have power??

Being a "one wire" electrician I grab the multimeter and set it on ohms. check the ground wire from the battery to the fender bolt and it shows 000.0 ohms of resistance.

BTW, on the first check for power, hooked up to the negative bolt on the battery.... other fuses have power but not fuse 33.??
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Old 11 Jul 2015, 08:16 pm
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I would be going through all the ground connections from the battery on to their competitions. Then see what happens.
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Old 12 Jul 2015, 12:54 am
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Doesn't fuse #33 also power the hazard lights, turn signals, data link connector, etc?
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Old 12 Jul 2015, 02:01 am
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IDK Steve, its a 10 amp red fuse and my owners manual description says, ABS MOD/J1962 Conn/PCM.

Have not had time to take off the ground wire and clean all the connections, although I just done that about 3 months ago. BTW, this works the same way with power to the fuse even when the ABS and TCS light is not on and with the key on or off.
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Old 12 Jul 2015, 05:44 am
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Did you try it with the key on?
Did you try it at both fuse blade terminals?

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Old 12 Jul 2015, 12:19 pm
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Did you try it with the key on?
Did you try it at both fuse blade terminals?
Yes and Yes. I bought this car new and it only has 47k on it now. It is a N/W, Fl. garage kept car. So, little reason for corrosion.
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Old 12 Jul 2015, 01:09 pm
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No codes with the key dance.
I would recommend getting a OBDII Scan Tool. It helps to have all the proper tools to diagnose a problem.

There has been problems with the TIPM on many of the 2nd generation PT Cruisers and with the Can Bus system its not easy to diagnose the problem. The TIPM is not designed for any extra loads so if there if the TIPM starts to malfunction then all components connected with the area of the TIPM that is effected needs to be checked for shorts or high current loads.

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Old 12 Jul 2015, 02:27 pm
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Could also be an issue with a wheel speed sensor or the wiring going to one.
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Old 13 Jul 2015, 10:40 am
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Fuse 33 is hot all the time direct from battery +.
Check and clean both ground connections... from the battery to engine (near battery tray) and from battery to body (left front, under the air cleaner). Also, clean the negative battery post and terminal.
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Old 13 Jul 2015, 11:57 am
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Thanks for all the help.

I disconnected the battery and the ground wire where it connects to the fender, along with all bundle of ground wires from the TIPM and cleaned them. All I saw was a light gray powder type corrosion. Reconnected and got power from the ground to fuse 33. IDK if I actually fixed anything or my connection with the test light on the first attempt wasn't as good as I thought it was.

The ABS & TC light was still coming on, so I went to a parts store and they checked the codes. IDK the exact code numbers it was showing but it was something about low voltage to the ABS. Sure enough, the battery would not hold a load. It is a SAM's club Duracell with 36 month free replacement warranty and it is 30 months old. The guy at Sam's put it on their tester and it printed out a slip saying bad battery. So I they gave me a New battery with another 36 month warranty.
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