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Old 12 Aug 2015, 02:08 pm
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Default Really need help on this ongoing handbrake issue

Can anybody here shed some light on this ongoing issue. It's now been to countless mechanics and it is still not doing it's job.

Had the handbrake cables done and all is fine there. Had new handbrake shoes fitted, twice now in last few months and it still isn't holding at all. been told the brake discs are fine, new parts on etc. So why will it not hold at all?

The handbrake lever is nice and tight.

I tried the embedding them in, put it on to 1 click as car is rolling slowly etc for 10 seconds. I mean the car can just freewheel along even with the handbrake on at the moment.

Desperate times now because if I cannot get this to work, it won't pass the MOT here and it means I will not be able to drive it at all. Essentially, good bye car.

Help me save my little beauty.
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Old 12 Aug 2015, 02:49 pm
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I don't have rear disks, so I have no real info...

But, if it was me...I would remove tires & jack it up and look at the shoes while someone pulled the handbrake up & down...JMO
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You might want to see if the shoes were setup with the slack adjuster. It's behind the hub. This image is with the hub removed.

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You might want to see if the shoes were setup with the slack adjuster. It's behind the hub. This image is with the hub removed.

That's a pic of rear drums, from the OP's description they have rear disk.
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That's a pic of rear drums, from the OP's description they have rear disk.
No. The image in my post above is the inner parking shoes on a disk brake axle. Notice the spring at the top instead of the brake cylinder. And the dust cover is way bigger than the shoes.

Here's the photo of one on my 2001 Limited. I got some sexy arms:

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My fault, in that drawing it looked like full size shoes & not the tiny ones.
I actually didn't even think it was from a PT because the adjuster was on the bottom & not the top.
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Thanks guys. I have actually got rear drums. I just ended up having so much of the braking system done, I am confusing myself.
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Thanks guys. I have actually got rear drums. I just ended up having so much of the braking system done, I am confusing myself.
It seems it would an easy fix then, someone is overlooking something simple.
I would still try my suggestion above, pull the tires off & have someone push the brakes a few times so you can see how everything works...then start pulling the handbrake up & down.
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Thanks guys. I have actually got rear drums. I just ended up having so much of the braking system done, I am confusing myself.
Okay, let's start over. Note that I am not a mechanic. I grew up working in a family shop, worked professionally as a diesel mechanic in my later teens and early twenties, but then went on to college. I'm now a safety engineer and industrial hygienist and I have a small environmental consulting business on the side. I work on cars to relieve stress and have fun. I like dining, dances and long walks on the beach.

First, there are no parking brake shoes on a rear drum brake PT. The hand brake just sets the regular rear brake shoes.

First you need to see if the back brakes are working in general. Jack a rear wheel up, have someone push the brake peddle and see if you can turn the jacked up wheel. It should stop and hold very solidly. If it still turns or still "almost" turns, then the rear brakes are not setup.

The rear drum brakes have a slack adjuster right below the the brake cylinder. These may need to be screwed out if the rear brakes don't work.

Once you are sure the rear drum brakes actually work, you will need to assure the parking brake cable is moving. The cable is self adjusting, so to check this, I'd pull a back brake drum and see if the parking brake lever moves when the parking brake is pulled. If I saw no movement, it would be time to pull the center console and see what's going on with the parking brake lever. You could check the lever before removing a rear drum if you prefer. But if I already had a rear wheel jacked up, I'd go for the brake drum first because that is easier to me. Plus, that way I can see what's happening at the end of the mechanism, even if the lever has to be fixed or replaced.

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The shoes have to be adjusted up first. Then there should be an adjustment for the cable on one end or the other. I would make sure that the cable's adjustment is slack before the shoes are adjusted. Then adjust the cable when the shoes are set correctly. The cable housing has to be secured at each end properly or the cable will not pull anything.
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