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Old 29 Sep 2015, 07:07 pm
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I have a 2005 engine and a 2003 PT with a blown engine. What do I need to swap? I seem to recall it will swap right in, but needs a blocking plate.
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I have a 2005 engine and a 2003 PT with a blown engine. What do I need to swap? I seem to recall it will swap right in, but needs a blocking plate.
are you swapping n/a to n/a? If the 03 has a egr pipe you will need to drill for it. Check all the electrical plugs to insure there comparable with the harness. Or just swap all the electrical sensors. Nothing to block off I know of. If one is a runoff and the other isn't. You are done. Can't do that.
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what do you mean by runoff?
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It was listed as: Factory Surplus Crate Engines - Long Block - Chrysler - PT Cruiser - From: 2005 - To: 2009
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Here's what I would check.

First, assure the 2003 engine is really a 2003 and not 2002. Chrysler moved the cranks sensor from above the oil filter on the 2001/2002 PT engine to right below the starter on the 2003 and later PT engines. These two engine designs are different and cannot be successfully interchanged using the stock PCM and control systems. If the cranks sensor is below the starter on the supposed 2003 engine, then is should be mostly interchangeable with the 2005.

Check the EGR as Busted_PT suggested. I can remember if the 2005 N/A engine has EGR or not. If so, there will be a EGR valve bolted near the left rear corner of the head with a tube going to the back of the intake manifold. Drilling the EGR port on a non-EGR head would be possible but fairly difficult in my opinion. There are block-off plates if you need to use an EGR head in a non-EGR car.

Once those two issues are worked out, the engine should work though you may have to use some of the accessories off of the 2003 engine.
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I don't have access to the car right now, but this is how the VIN decodes. With sequential number 35880, I would hope it doesn't have a carry-over 2002 engine - though ya never know!

VIN: 3C8FY68B53T635880
WMI / VDS / VIS: 3C8 / FY68B5 / 3T635880
Manufacturer: Chrysler De Mexico Toluca
Brand: Chrysler
Model:Cruiser
Region/Plant: Toluca, Mexico
Check: 5
Year: 2003
Sequential number: 35880
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I don't have access to the car right now, but this is how the VIN decodes. With sequential number 35880, I would hope it doesn't have a carry-over 2002 engine - though ya never know!

VIN: 3C8FY68B53T635880
WMI / VDS / VIS: 3C8 / FY68B5 / 3T635880
Manufacturer: Chrysler De Mexico Toluca
Brand: Chrysler
Model:Cruiser
Region/Plant: Toluca, Mexico
Check: 5
Year: 2003
Sequential number: 35880
Both engines are non turbo correct? Handy drilling the egr hole is easy as its aluminum. Just match hole size from original motor. Like I said I don't know if 03 had EGR. Last creat engine I saw was compleatly dresed out. We are talking American 2.4 s right?
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Default Re: what do I need to swap a 2005 engine into a 2003?

both re non-turbo 2.4

Lucky has a lot of pics of his 2003 engine here:
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the shop has the new engine installed but it won't run yet. don't know the specifics. I sent him Lucky's list of sensors.

Do you think the 2003 PCM will work or does it need a 2005-2009 pcm?
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Do you think the 2003 PCM will work or does it need a 2005-2009 pcm?
Since very sensor off the 2003 engine will fit on the 2005, there is no difference from the PCM side. And most if not all sensors are the same anyway. So it should run on the 2003 sensors and PCM with no issue.

One issue to check may be the dowel holes on the end of the intake camshaft where the cam sensor magnet fits. While I've never seen this, it has been reported that some PT engines have an intake cam with the dowel holes drilled 90 degree different than most other PT's. Simply put both engines at top dead center and see if the dowel holes behind the cam sensor magnet are in the same location. Again, I've never seen this problem on 2003 and up PT's. But there are reports out there.

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Handy, it won't matter on the cam magnet if that motor is compleat. Although I do believe some 2.4s in other cars have this can magnet issue. As long as it is all from the new engine it will work fine.
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