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Old 21 Nov 2017, 10:19 pm
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Last few steps on the timing job. However how can I align the engine mounts to put them in? the engine has shifted towards the cab about an inch, whats the best way to move it back. Also the last bolt of that big cast iron bracket wont fit. Engine gets low but needs another half inch or so. even pushing down while lowering it doesn't make it go low enough to install the bolt. Currently debating to go without the bolt or shortening it
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Old 21 Nov 2017, 10:33 pm
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Default Re: Best way to align engine mounts?

Do you mean the center motor mount, did you replace that? If so, you were supposed to mark the frame where the original one was mounted before removing it.

Or do you mean the torque struts (upper and lower)?

You really need to follow the Torque Strut Adjustment procedure in the Service Manual.

On 10/25 I sent you a PM with a link to download a copy of it from my DropBox, but you replied that you already got the manual from the previous owner.

You can still download a copy of it from my PM.

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Old 21 Nov 2017, 11:06 pm
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Also the last bolt of that big cast iron bracket wont fit. Engine gets low but needs another half inch or so. even pushing down while lowering it doesn't make it go low enough to install the bolt. Currently debating to go without the bolt or shortening it
Ack! don't leave it out or shorten it. It ought to fit in comfortably with the engine at its lowest point and it should thread in fairly easily until you get to where it needs to be torqued. If it doesn't, it's not going in straight. That could mean the inner belt cover is not lined up properly or the belt tensioner bracket was not installed straight. Did you use an iron bracket bolt to hold it down while installing the single bolt on the tensioner bracket?

"1. Align timing belt tensioner assembly (2) to engine
and install lower mounting bolt (1)but do not
tighten. To properly align tensioner assembly to
engine; temporarily install one of the engine
bracket mounting bolts (M10) 57 turns into the
tensioner assembly upper mounting location (3)."


I say this because I was guilty of this and the big metal bracket was not getting bolted down properly.
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Old 22 Nov 2017, 12:50 pm
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Ack! don't leave it out or shorten it. It ought to fit in comfortably with the engine at its lowest point and it should thread in fairly easily until you get to where it needs to be torqued. If it doesn't, it's not going in straight. That could mean the inner belt cover is not lined up properly or the belt tensioner bracket was not installed straight. Did you use an iron bracket bolt to hold it down while installing the single bolt on the tensioner bracket?

"1. Align timing belt tensioner assembly (2) to engine
and install lower mounting bolt (1)but do not
tighten. To properly align tensioner assembly to
engine; temporarily install one of the engine
bracket mounting bolts (M10) 57 turns into the
tensioner assembly upper mounting location (3)."


I say this because I was guilty of this and the big metal bracket was not getting bolted down properly.
Engine is at is lowest point, Bolt doesn't want to go in unless I want to crossthread my engine.

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Old 22 Nov 2017, 01:02 pm
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Either jack the engine up or let it down. You can also push the engine forwards and backwards a bit. There's a sweet spot where that bolt will go right in. You may have to preposition the jack to get it down low enough.
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Old 22 Nov 2017, 01:03 pm
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Either jack the engine up or let it down. There's a sweet spot where than bolt will go right in.

that as physically as far as the engine will go down
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Old 22 Nov 2017, 01:19 pm
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You were able to get the bolt out some way. So it's got to go back in. Make sure you have the right bolt.

Here's a video. And it shows exactly how to take the bolts out. The method shown should work putting the bolts back in as well. At around 7 minutes, the guy removes your bolt. He does it by lowering the engine.




Here's a still shot at about 7:21 in the video.

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Old 22 Nov 2017, 04:38 pm
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Yup, I used their video along with MotorCity Mechanic's videos to tear down to the timing belt and everything came out pretty straight forward. Unlike the above video, I found it easier to first remove both the upper and lower torque struts and get one more degree of freedom so I could simply jack the engine up and down freely since it had to be done multiple times.

I've also seen horror hack job videos where someone cut a hole in the fender to access that lower bolt

If it makes you feel any better, a friend told me that at Mopar mechanics school they spent hours and hours teaching the techs how to get to this one bolt.
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Old 22 Nov 2017, 05:00 pm
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Default Re: Best way to align engine mounts?

I just did an '04 Neon motor mount, this may help.

The bracket had three bolts, one easy straight-shot, the other two difficult to get in. I saved the easy one for last.

Using the jack under the engine, I lowered the engine as much as possible. Then with the bracket loosely in place I just started the lowest bolt, but did not tighten.

Then I jacked the engine up as much as possible. Keep an eye on the lower bolt, that it doesn't catch under the frame. With the bracket still somewhat loose, I was able to start the upper, difficult to get in bolt. I also started the easy bolt too. I ran the upper bolts in but didn't tighten them.

Then I lowered the engine and tightened the lower bolt.

Then I jacked the engine up and tightened the upper bolts.

It was a lot of up & down with the engine, but I was able get them in. The trick was having the bracket loose when you start the bolts.

I've had that bracket out three times now on that car (don't ask). The first time I bent the lower bolt in the jacking the engine process. It gets easier after you've done it a few times. I know it's a Neon and the Cruiser is different, but the technique may help.
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Old 23 Nov 2017, 10:14 am
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that as physically as far as the engine will go down
You know what, I am having a flashback... I remember not being able to get it low like the world mechanic video, so I jacked it up as far as I could, needed like another inch that my jack didn't provide so I added a second wood block

Thanks going to try it tonight
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