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Old 11 Jan 2018, 08:11 pm
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Default Found, cause of SOOO BIG's vibration at idle and whirring, squealing noise.

After the scheduled visit to the mechanic I got some news. It's a pricey list. The whirring noise is behind the timing cover. The vibration at idle is all bad engine mounts. Could that include the transmission mount too? I thought it might be the mounts.The CVC joints'll need replacing. Additionally, the serpentine and alternator belt will be replaced as planned. An engine out job. $2471.00, parts and labor, with tax. More if peripherals need replacing. Should I consider this about right? He quotes the Chrysler mounts at over $500.00. All Chrysler parts. I've a request in for another shop's estimate of the same work. I'll know tomorrow. SOOO BIG can't be replace for that amount, so I guess, onward and upward.

As mentioned in a lead up thread I'd posted; I've owned SOOO BIG since Oct. 2012. Plan on riding him into the sunset. 2005 PT Cruiser with the 2.4 DOHC SMPI engine. 89,000 gentle miles. S@#t happens.

I had the two torque struts engine mounts (Duralast) (non Chrysler) installed on 11/09/15. As far as the whirring challenge under the timing cover. You may remember I had an, out of necessity, "side of the road", complete Dayco timing belt kit installed on SOOO BIG in Sept of 2015. I thought that was behind SOOO BIG. Apparently the jack legs didn't get it right.

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Old 11 Jan 2018, 08:24 pm
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I would suggest getting more estimates. $2471.00 is high in my opinion. Can you post what is being replaced for that price?
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Old 11 Jan 2018, 08:38 pm
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After the scheduled visit to the mechanic I got some news. It's a pricey list. The whirring noise is behind the timing cover. The vibration at idle is all bad engine mounts. Could that include the transmission mount too? I thought it might be the mounts.The CVC joints'll need replacing. Additionally, the serpentine and alternator belt will be replaced as planned. An engine out job. $2471.00, parts and labor, with tax. More if peripherals need replacing. Should I consider this about right? He quotes the Chrysler mounts at over $500.00. All Chrysler parts. I've a request in for another shop's estimate of the same work. I'll know tomorrow. SOOO BIG can't be replace for that amount, so I guess, onward and upward.

As mentioned in a lead up thread I'd posted; I've owned SOOO BIG since Oct. 2012. Plan on riding him into the sunset. 2005 PT Cruiser with the 2.4 DOHC SMPI engine. 89,000 gentle miles. S@#t happens.

I had the two torque struts engine mounts (Duralast) (non Chrysler) installed on 11/09/15. As far as the whirring challenge under the timing cover. You may remember I had an, out of necessity, "side of the road", complete Dayco timing belt kit installed on SOOO BIG in Sept of 2015. I thought that was behind SOOO BIG. Apparently the jack legs didn't get it right.

Please advise.

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This is just another example why replacing the center motor mount (to include a new bolt) should be included with the timing belt as part of the complete job: timing belt, water pump, tensioner, idler pulley, cam seals, crank seal, center motor mount with new bolt.

There's only 2 ways to get to the center mount, per the Service Manual - remove engine. But it can also be replaced at the same time as when the area is torn apart to replace the timing belt and all of the other stuff related to that job.
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Old 11 Jan 2018, 10:12 pm
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I would suggest getting more estimates. $2471.00 is high in my opinion. Can you post what is being replaced for that price?
I mentioned what's being replaced in my lead in. From what I understand, it's the "shotgun approach". All the engine mounts, I'd guess he means the trans mount too, CVC joints, timing belt kit, serpentine and alternator belts. Wants to use nothing but Chrysler parts. Add on replacing anything peripheral, damaged in tear down. That price floored me. I'll find out from the second shop tomorrow. May try to get SOOO BIG to them for a reassessment. Never been in this position before. Frustrated. Wish I was healthy enough to do it myself. Looks like fun. Hard to sign of with a Happy PTin', ptprice
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$2471.00, parts and labor, with tax

Well Mr Price take it from another Mr Price I think that price is Sooooooo Big it is not justified. I understand your desire to do this job yourself but eventually if we live long enough we are all working our way toward that direction as well. I personally like the Gates kit for the components necessary to do the job for that timing belt and water pump portion and associated components. Hopefully your other estimate won't be Soooooo Big and maybe you can do the happy dance again. I certainly would assist you if you lived in my neck of the woods up here in the promised land where the snow, ice and salt flow freely. I'm a DIY kinda guy till I die or sometimes get sidetracked by strawberry rhubarb pie but I generally plug away at it until I getter done. Next up for me in the Price garage is a GT 5-speed from sunny California.
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time to cut your losses. it would be an effective use of time and money to get a better condition example of a pt of your choosing on the open market for the same or slightly more amount of dollars. save the current one for parts.
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Old 12 Jan 2018, 12:59 am
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Drive belts about $10 each
Center motor mount $11
Upper and lower Torque Struts (mounts) $10 each

CV joints (don't need replacing to fix the engine vibration) $100 for a pair

All NON CHRYSLER parts

To get to the Center Motor mount, you are effectively paying for the cost of a Timing Belt job and about 6 hours shop time.

I'd start with the serpentine belts, the tensioner pulley and upper and lower torque struts. That shouldn't be more than 2 hour's labor charge (a rank amateur like me could do it in about an hour and I ain't no spring chicken)

The bad thing like the wholesale replacement of parts like your shop is recommending is that yeah, it may fix the problem but a job at 1/4th the cost might also fix the vibration problem. ALL those parts can't be causing the problem. Are they the right age for being replaced as a preventative measure? Maybe. The timing belt is at the right age for replacement which is the biggest ticket item and everything else except the axles are removed anyway when getting to the TB.

If ALL those parts are REQUIRED to keep your car safely driving on the road, then yes, you may have to do it but I don't think all those things need urgent replacement right now.

Go to another shop and get another estimate to fix your problem and not "replace everything that may need replacing if money were no object"

Heck for $90 in parts and a beer, I'd do the job for you just to be able to thumb my nose at that shop. Too bad you're on the wrong side of the continent.
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Old 12 Jan 2018, 02:30 am
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Sorry to hear about your problems! For reference, somewhat: Replaced the timing belt on both PTs this summer at around 80K miles each. "Replace timing belt" really means: New camshaft and crank seals, timing belt, timing belt kit, water pump and center and top engine mounts. Parts: $423. Labor: $739. Total: $1,162. (For the 08 Turbo). If you are not 'mechanically inclined' and don't have a full set of tools and a way to jack up your car and a lot of patience, FUGGTABOUTIT. Let a pro do the work, and pay him for his skills and tools. Your choices may be: Spend $1,000 to $1,500 cash to fix a 12 year old car with almost 100,000 miles on it. Or -- spend $X cash and the $500 trade-in credit a dealer will give you and buy basic transportation in the form of a 4 year old Corolla or Civic or Ford Focus and make a monthly payment. If you go that route, make sure the dealer offers at least a 3,000 mile/3months full warranty! And if you buy another PT, or actually any 4-cyl used car with over 75,000 miles on it, remember -- it will also need a timing belt replacement very soon! All the best,
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Drive belts about $10 each
Center motor mount $11
Upper and lower Torque Struts (mounts) $10 each

CV joints (don't need replacing to fix the engine vibration) $100 for a pair

All NON CHRYSLER parts

To get to the Center Motor mount, you are effectively paying for the cost of a Timing Belt job and about 6 hours shop time.

I'd start with the serpentine belts, the tensioner pulley and upper and lower torque struts. That shouldn't be more than 2 hour's labor charge (a rank amateur like me could do it in about an hour and I ain't no spring chicken)

The bad thing like the wholesale replacement of parts like your shop is recommending is that yeah, it may fix the problem but a job at 1/4th the cost might also fix the vibration problem. ALL those parts can't be causing the problem. Are they the right age for being replaced as a preventative measure? Maybe. The timing belt is at the right age for replacement which is the biggest ticket item and everything else except the axles are removed anyway when getting to the TB.

If ALL those parts are REQUIRED to keep your car safely driving on the road, then yes, you may have to do it but I don't think all those things need urgent replacement right now.

Go to another shop and get another estimate to fix your problem and not "replace everything that may need replacing if money were no object"

Heck for $90 in parts and a beer, I'd do the job for you just to be able to thumb my nose at that shop. Too bad you're on the wrong side of the continent.
The premise was "get it all while the engine's dropped". It's not just the vibration though. There's the under timing cover noise to resolve too. The CVC joints question just popped up out of the blue in the first diagnosis.
Two new Duralast "after market" torque strut engine mounts were installed 11/09/2012. Maybe not being Chrysler parts is why they're shot again. Are the Mopar engine mounts so much better than after market? What's the big difference in the Mopar mounts to demand over $500.00? I'm seeing full sets of the four after market mounts on Ebay for $54.99. index.jpgUpper, lower torque strut mounts, center mount and transmission mount. Whats the critical difference?
I'm getting a second shop cost work up from the guy that put the failed Duralast set in. I'll see today if he wants to take a look at SOOO BIG or just rely on the first diagnosis I told him about over the phone yesterday.
When I ask what he'd use in the way of brand names he said his shop work up price'll use Mopar engine mounts. (apparently he doesn't like the Duralast mounts anymore.) Under the timing cover he'll use a Gates or Dyco timing belt kit. (There's a Dyco kit in there now installed new 07/12/2015) Don't know about the CVC joints yet.
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I can understand your desire to keep your PT as you just had the exterior painted not too long ago, so the outside looks really good.

What kind of shop gave you the $2500 estimate, dealership?

If the timing belt area is going to be opened up, again, for that work, then there's no need to remove the engine as the center motor mount can be replaced at that time.

2-1/2 years ago I had the center mount replaced on my PT, and the timing belt work done again, for about $1500 using all genuine MOPAR parts, at a dealership. Even though the timing belt and all of the other components were replaced far sooner than they needed to be, it was kind of good that the area had to be opened up again as the other shop found the cam seals were leaking, and the first shop had not replaced them when they did their timing belt work. Though there is much debate about using OEM over after-market parts, I prefer OEM parts for my PT.

Your shop wanting to remove the engine to replace the center motor mount is most likely going off the Service Manual which states that is the procedure to replace it. But again, it can be replaced while doing the timing belt work, I had it done on my PT.
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