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Old 27 Feb 2018, 05:53 am
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Default Gen1 vs Gen2 PT's

Hello all...I m curious what PT folks think of the Generation 2, 2006-2010 PT's vs the Generation 1, 2001-2005 PT's...

I drive a 2001 LE Inferno Red...

The biggest differences seem to be the Front & Rear Bumper Treatments, the Front Grill & lack of Lower Grill work, the Head lights, the Tail lights & some Engine Mods...
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Old 27 Feb 2018, 06:49 am
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I personally like the look of the second gen PT better. I also think the vents and the dash looks nicer than the first gen. And it's nice that the second gen radio has an aux jack. Just my opinion though I know a lot of people prefer the first gen, and there are more exterior parts available at junkyards for the first gen models too.
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Old 27 Feb 2018, 07:32 am
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CANBUS (Gen 2) vs. no CANBUS (Gen 1).
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Old 27 Feb 2018, 10:05 am
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My sister and I were discussing this recently, she has a '03 Limited and I a '10 Classic.

IMHO I think of the classic look of the 1st gen whenever I think of a PT and the only thing I like better is the molded bumpers of the 2nd gen compared to the after thought look of the 1st gen as far as exterior features.

Interior, 2nd gen all the way! I find the seats more comfortable in the 1st gen, however, they also tend to let your body move more, whereas, in the 2nd gen they are much firmer but seem to hold your body in place. Controls - 2nd gen, end of story. Ditto with the center console.

There is one feature of the early 1st gen's that I covet, the mechanical release on the lift gate. The people responsible for going to a touch pad should be shot! ( Probably the same guys who took the key lock off the lift gate and passenger door. )

Just my opinion.
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Old 27 Feb 2018, 11:22 am
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To me the 1st Gen PT is a more unique car. There's also a lot more aftermarket accessories for them too.

Mechanically, the 1st and 2nd Gen PT's are almost identical. There's much more mechanical difference between early 1st Gen's (2001-2002) and later model 1st Gen's (2003-2005). With very few exceptions, all major mechanical components from a 2003-2005 1st Gen will work in the 2nd Gen. The big changes in the 2nd Gen PT's are primarily the electronics. The 2nd Gen has a Totally Integrated Power Module (TIPM), CANbus communication, an updated PCM, instrument cluster and stereo.

Some of the advantages of the 2nd Gen PT's include:

* More practical interior layout though less unique.
* EVIC instrument cluster.
* Better cluster illumination.
* More attractive tail lights (in my opinion).
* Better choice of factory stereo.
* More room for aftermarket stereo.
* More contour to the seats but less desirable fabrics.
* Slightly higher advertised hp on the 2nd Gen GT.
* Better fog lights.

Some of the disadvantages of the 2nd Gen PT's include:

* Less classic look.
* CANBus requires adapter for aftermarket stereo.
* CANBus can slightly complicate mods that require electronics.
* Less attractive factory wheel choices, except for the continued Empire wheels from the 1st Gen.
* Less classic/less attractive interior.
* TIPM failure more likely in some 2006 models.
* TIPM can complicate electrical repairs.
* Crankshaft half thrust washer problem in some 2006/2007 NA models (may impact some 2005 NA 1st Gen models too).
* 2006 and 2010 models have some "transitional" items unique to those year models. (The 2003 1st Gen GT does too, but it's a less common model).
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Old 27 Feb 2018, 02:13 pm
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They say that there two types of drivers...
Drivers that love the PT cruiser
and those that don't
(and some of those are Previous pt owner's)

Lets pull the Band-aid off

Used to be you bought a PTC for the retro style looks
Now that there so cheep on the used car market.
That does not apply.

If you bought a Pronto Cruizer for the retro look That's 1st Gen
if you bought lately could be because it's cheep

for Comfy the first Gen seats ...win
style first Gen....wins
Colours Second Gen
Price Both Gen's
If you like to work on cars and looking for a challenge
Both Gen's
The CANBUS wiring is a deal breaker for me so....

..........That being said one thing I wish my first gen had
the round retro clock right in thew middle of the Dash....win

FIRST GEN for the WIN.!
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Old 27 Feb 2018, 04:26 pm
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They say that there two types of drivers...
Drivers that love the PT cruiser
and those that don't
(and some of those are Previous pt owner's)
And I'm the third kind, neutral. I wanted a wagoney thing and my needed a fender / bumper / headlight 06 popped up for $ 750 delivered to my door.



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If you like to work on cars and looking for a challenge
Both Gen's
Other than having to pull the rad for some front of engine work, they are no more difficult than any other car. ( Neon )

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The CANBUS wiring is a deal breaker for me so....
CAN is a non issue even if it breaks, many cars are built this way as it eliminates lots of wiring and weight. Bosch invented CAN in the early 80's with Mercedes starting to use it in the mid 80's.

CAN ( and the LIN bus connecting the instrument cluster to other modules ) is just a communication system. Rather than having a wire running from a switch to the power user, the switch sends a signal to the TIPM ( Totaly Integrated Power Module, AKA Body Control Module ) then the TIPM sends power to the user. This allows for all of those "features " to occur.


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..........That being said one thing I wish my first gen had
the round retro clock right in thew middle of the Dash....win
The round clock is a bit hard to see with a quick glance, I enabled the radios clock on mine.
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Old 27 Feb 2018, 04:43 pm
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My preference is for Gen 1, I'm not too thrilled on the look of the interior of the Gen 2, too square. I may be a little biased with this one being the first one I've ever owned and it practically fell into my lap.
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And I'm the third kind, neutral.


The round clock is a bit hard to see with a quick glance, I enabled the radios clock on mine.
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Lets keep it real
All the gauge cluster in the PT Cruiser's are hard to see unless it's in
pure daylight or dark night
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Old 28 Feb 2018, 10:00 am
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Lets keep it real
All the gauge cluster in the PT Cruiser's are hard to see unless it's in
pure daylight or dark night
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To expand on this, Gen 2 has a "parade function" that will override headlights on = display dimmed. This is part of the dome override / dash dim knob.

One annoying issue with the G2 dash is the vacuum fluro odo / info center display. I back out of the garage with lights out and the display reflects off the side windows making it impossible to see. I end up turning on the parking lights to make sure I clear the door. Gotta drive in then to right after mirror clears to have enough to get out, back straight out and the mirror will come off.
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