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Old 03 Apr 2019, 07:18 pm
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Default Oil Pan Gasket change

So my Oil pan gasket is leaking evidently. But I am having trouble finding a tutorial on just HOW to go about doing that. I know I have to unbolt a ton of other things. But some things for much older models state that I have to support the engine from above.

I am hoping I can just unbolt some things without doing anything too major and just replace the gasket. I am leaking a lot of oil it seems, and hope that this will help stop it.
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Old 03 Apr 2019, 08:16 pm
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Are you sure it's the pan gasket & not the crank or cam seals..??
Is most of the oil on the passenger side..??
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Old 03 Apr 2019, 08:27 pm
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Are you sure it's the pan gasket & not the crank or cam seals..??
Is most of the oil on the passenger side..??
I took it to a shop a while back and they did a dye job on it. Said it was the oil pan gasket. Thought I could easily do it myself, but when we got under there it was a lot more complicated looking and were going to wait til this spring.
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Old 03 Apr 2019, 08:31 pm
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try using a leak stop additive like bars leaks and follow the directions. its worth a shot
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try using a leak stop additive like bars leaks and follow the directions. its worth a shot
Did, hasnt helped, or stopped working
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Old 04 Apr 2019, 12:24 am
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Did, hasnt helped, or stopped working
You have to scrape off the old gasket, clean with brake cleaner and apply ultra grey and wait 24 hours before starting the engine or 'the right stuff' and can start the engine right after
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Old 04 Apr 2019, 12:34 pm
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Background:
When I did the headgasket job, I was soaking up oil in the head bolt cavities and accidentally dropped a piece of rolled up paper towel down one of the oil ports.



With the help of people on this board, I learned that this port lead straight down into the oil pan and not down some dangerous path to the oil pump.



I used a bore scope to look into the oil pan and saw the rolled up piece of paper towel.









You do need to remove the bracket holding the pan to the transmission, it's all in the service manual (Section 9 Engine Lubrication 9-2121 in the Gen 2 PT Service Manual)

My PT gasket was easy to remove and was not "gooped" on. I removed the gasket and cleaned the surface with gentle rubbing with some Scotcbrite. I then put the Fel Pro gasket on



While you're at it, you could replace the gasket for the Oil Filter Adapter. I saw one on clearance at Rock Auto a few weeks ago for a couple of bucks. Better than the $25 I paid at the local Chrysler dealership. In most cases you probably don't need to replace it and if it ever fails, you can replace it without dropping the pan.

The oil pan filter will slip off the oil and and make it really tough to align everything while you're lying on your back so I found a way to hold the gasket in place while lifting the pan. Hold the gasket to the engine with a few bolts. Then lift the pan up to the engine and hand start a couple of bolts in the right direction to let the pan hang from the engine while you remove the bolts holding the gasket.





Then carefully follow the reassembly instructions, especially for those regarding the engine block/structural collar bolt tightening sequence.
  • Hand start means start the bolt into the thread and make sure the bracket can wiggle around
  • Hand tight means screw the bolt all the way in but don't torque it down yet

You need to let the brace wiggle around after hand starting the first bolt so you can line up the holes for the other bolts.



By the time all the oil drains out of the engine and pan, after you refill it, you'll have a tough time reading the oil level on the dipstick because it's so clean.

Good luck
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Old 04 Apr 2019, 02:37 pm
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AH sweet, thank you! I found the manual online. Seems liek it isnt too hard. Though I read somewhere that you need to support the engine from the top. That is my main concern, as I have no way to do that personally. If I can just hoist it up, unbolt somethings, do the repair, and bolt it all back on, I am good to go!
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Old 04 Apr 2019, 04:44 pm
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I didn't support the engine from the top. As you can see from one of the pictures with the bolt holding the gasket, I did this with the timing belt off which means the cover and center motor mount were off. If you look at this picture, you'll see you can support the engine with a block of wood on a lift.



It may not be the safest way to hold the engine up but if I recall correctly, it was pretty steady and certainly not a precarious balancing job. I had originally supported the engine via the oil pan (just like it says when removing the timing belt), I then put a jackstand on the passenger side of the engine



Then I put the wood and jack on the inside of the structural coller to keep the engine held up.

One more thing, I think you'll find that you need to remove the oil pick up tube with the screen on it in order to take the pan completely out. It's in the upper right corner of this picture. On the car, it's in the forward passenger corner of the oil sump compartment. I think there is just one bolt holding it on.



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Okay, dumb question time: If the oil pan is off, where the heck is the crankshaft? Is that aluminum (?) casting some sort of windage tray?
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