Class Action Suit

[PTGT Redman]

my question:
If its integrated and not supposed to be there, why do dealers have a repacemen part for install if they agree to install it?
if they really upgraded the twist beam axle, there shouldn't even be a sway bar available for the PT. RIght?[xx(]
I jad front and rear bars on my 2001 LE.
That was a dog compared to the GT, wouldn't it make sense to stabilize the rear end of the car a little better?
Mine tends to hop a bit on aggressive driving...

[Timeless]

quote:Originally posted by dgc333

A couple of things I would like to point out.

If you take a look at the window sticker on your car you will see the following;
"We reserve the right to make changes without notice and are not responsible for typographical errors. Dealers are independent and free to set their own prices."
For as long as I have been purchasing new cars there has been a statement to this effect somewhere in the documentation for the cars I have bought.

I have not found this disclaimer any where on my window sticker [:I]
has any body else found this???

[Steve03GT]

quote:Originally posted by mich_132003

Steve - When you say things like "wasting bandwidth" is a concern of yours and you see a class action lawsuit against DC as productive, then I suggest you go right ahead, spend your time and energy on a process that will be a waist of time, energy, and money - except of course - for the lawyers. I'm all for principles but I guarantee you will get no where with this.
P.S. I'm am very concerned about issues and if you don't mind, I will continue speaking on this forum regardless of your "bandwidth concerns", if that's OK with you.

Oh ye of little faith. When the Dakota forum first advanced the prospect of suing D-M, there were a few nay-sayers, like yourself then too. In hindsight, I'm glad we didn't listen to them.
BTW, by "guaranteeing", you're assuring me and others that we can't persuade D-C to do the right thing by mentioning the potential of a lawsuit; on what basis may I ask?

[ptcruzin42]

The obvious reason that people are so upset is this...... The PT GT is supposed to be a performance vehichle, it was made with a more sport car type person in mind. Every PT before this one came with a rear sway bar which provided a much more stiff and "sport minded" handling. Now when the Turbo came out for some odd reason...chrysler decided to delete some of the performance in the car (the sway bar)....now, since chrysler is trying to appeal to people who want performance, why would they delete something that most performance people are going to want? Further more why would they advertise it on our sticker, causing us to think we're getting it, when we're not? Even further more, for those of us who have caught this...how come they REFUSE to honor it? Going out on an even further stretch, why would they make up stories? Saying they the rear axel has been redesigned and what not? If you look at a base model 2001 pt cruiser right next to a PT Turbo, the rear axel is EXACTLY the same, not one difference except for the undeniable fact there is no sway bar on the Turbo. That is the ONLY difference. In fact....I CHALLENGE someone to go to a junk yard...find a regular pt and a turbo pt, and cut open that rear axel, I guarantee that the insides will be exact. There is no upgraded design here, this was just another thing that chrysler deleted from the Turbo model, trying to save money, but when we found out they made up a whack excuse. Look at all the things that got deleted on the Turbo.....makes sense does it not? A sway bar is not a REQUIRED item, but it is important to performance minded people.....ok I'm done.

[Ian-PT-GT]

It would be interesting to see how the 2004 "Cheap" GT would come out. Now that they would be using the stock PT with no goodies (4 Disk ABS Brakes, Traction Control and "performance" suspension). If a Sway bar is present in this new model, I guess We will have a stronger case.

Just $0.02

Ian

[Dalite]

quote:Originally posted by mich_132003

Steve - When you say things like "wasting bandwidth" is a concern of yours and you see a class action lawsuit against DC as productive, then I suggest you go right ahead, spend your time and energy on a process that will be a waist of time, energy, and money - except of course - for the lawyers. I'm all for principles but I guarantee you will get no where with this.
P.S. I'm am very concerned about issues and if you don't mind, I will continue speaking on this forum regardless of your "bandwidth concerns", if that's OK with you.

I'm not Steve, BUT....

I never have been one to give awards for laziness, corruption, less than honest behavior, poor construction, or any of the other causes of Class Action Suits and general discontent in the buying public.

Furthermore, I have found that due to the actions of the many who applaud the actions of those preying on the general level of affluence and apathy of the buying public to be the total cause for the manufacturing industry to continually try to find just what they can get away with...

The horn is another safety issue that is beginning to boil. I just found out that my hatch no longer activates my interior lights. I didn't bother to check to see if it still shows up on the dash (not being closed) when the car is running.

I can imagine 20 plastic grocery bags rolling out on the highway and ruining a few 100K$ of sheetmetal and a few million $ of internal organs attached to the other modes of transportation following behind and/or their drivers. This could be the end to a routine trip to the grocery store where the hatch wasn't closed hard enough to latch it, and Chrysler's determination to cut a sensor here and there resulted in the dash no longer notifying the driver that the hatch wasn't fully closed.

Yeah, we all lived without those features for decades before....
However, when you get accustomed to the feature level of a vehicle and that prompts you to buy a newer model, only to find out that some/many of the standard features weren't only missing, but some aren't even available as an option - I don't know about you, but this really tends to irrigate me.

The more we let them get away with this type of action, the more they are encouraged to try to go a little bit further each production year.. I really used to enjoy getting into my 02 PT Touring Edition, now in the 03 GT, I am constantly reminded of how much more I paid, and how much less I got for it. I can understand the concept of inflation, but that doesn't mean I enjoy surrounding myself with it whenever I have to get into my vehicle to go somewhere.

Count me in with those who waste time, effort and money. I guess the fact that I own an '03 model has to pretty much verify part of that. However, I don't want to be counted as part of the problem (those who sanction the actions of Chrysler); I prefer to be counted as one who is pursuing the solution.

[tezz]

To Gary03GT - I just posted re this in the suspension section but how did you get the parts and installation for $193?? I just spent $220 for the parts alone at the Glendale, CA DC dealership!
tezz [xx(]

[GTPT]

Tezz don't want to sound ignorant, but I'd like to stay on the original topic of this post and not side rail it into something else.
Phil

[dgc333]

quote:Originally posted by Timeless

I have not found this disclaimer any where on my window sticker [:I]
has any body else found this???

I stand corrected. The statement I am refering to was on the copy of the sticker I took from the Chrysler web page for my car. See the following http://mysite.verizon.net/david.clem...%20Sticker.jpg

I erronously assumed the PDF files of the stickers for the dealer inventory were the same as the actual sticker. In anycase it's also stated in the sales broucher too.

[PTGT Redman]

quote:Originally posted by ptcruzin42

The obvious reason that people are so upset is this...... The PT GT is supposed to be a performance vehichle, it was made with a more sport car type person in mind. Every PT before this one came with a rear sway bar which provided a much more stiff and "sport minded" handling. Now when the Turbo came out for some odd reason...chrysler decided to delete some of the performance in the car (the sway bar)....now, since chrysler is trying to appeal to people who want performance, why would they delete something that most performance people are going to want?

Well said. I read an SRT-4 review. That thing comes with a boost gauge and everything for sport and performance. (seats etc). We get mildly stiffened seats and actually lose performance function...note what daylite's been saying about firmware errors that rob performance and now take away the very thing that makes the turbo sporty. As is, it still sticks it's fat ass just as high as a stock n/a PT, has an anemic exhaust, unlike the SRT-4's and can only be diff'd from a n/a by the wheels and a mild chin lift...sigh. Love the car, but wished it looked more like the 1999 GT concept. Reminds me of what Ford did to the Taurus SHO before they killed it