Subaru WRX STi

[Chipmunk]

quote:Originally posted by COP TZER


the STI WILL blow the doors off of a GT. I beleive it runs a low 13 quarter mile STOCK! With very minor mods this car will hand a Viper it's @$$ . But for a $50,000 dollar sticker in Canada, i'll rethink my options. Afterall it still comes with a plastic and cloth interior.

[Chipmunk]

quote:Originally posted by COP TZER

With very minor mods this car will hand a Viper it's @$$ .

The Viper runs a 12.1 1/4 Mile at 121 mph. Gonna need a litte more than "very minor mods" to get the STi into the low 12's. Not to mention the Viper would always win from a role.

-=Matt=-

[renichms]

quote:Originally posted by Chipmunk

The Viper runs a 12.1 1/4 Mile at 121 mph. Gonna need a litte more than "very minor mods" to get the STi into the low 12's. Not to mention the Viper would always win from a role.

-=Matt=-

Incorrect. Low 12s is not hard to get to, considering a few testers hit high 12s stock and many people are hitting high 12s with minor mods (downpipe, intake, etc.). Full setup on an STi and a Viper won't always win from a "roll." That depends purely on power and driver. Don't be so quick to assume things about other cars. With mine, stock, I can keep with a C5 (non-Z06) 'vette from a roll. The C5 has more power...think about that.

RN

[PTGT Redman]

minor mod to you is a downpipe etc...not cheap and a significant modification.
sti doesn't have the low end torque that the v-10 does...

[Chipmunk]

quote:Originally posted by renichms

Incorrect. Low 12s is not hard to get to, considering a few testers hit high 12s stock and many people are hitting high 12s with minor mods (downpipe, intake, etc.). Full setup on an STi and a Viper won't always win from a "roll." That depends purely on power and driver. Don't be so quick to assume things about other cars. With mine, stock, I can keep with a C5 (non-Z06) 'vette from a roll. The C5 has more power...think about that.

RN

I'm not quick to assume anything, I have 2 good friends who both own '04 STi's (one blue and one white). And I happen to know quite abit about Scoobies too.

There is a big difference between High 12's and Low 12's. Without major mods to the STi like bigger turbo, injectors and PiggyBack ECU it will never see low 12's. Subaru is achieving 300hp at the crank, but they are maxing out the injectors and Turbine efficiency to get there.

And from a roll, I've personally seen the STi get handed it ass many times from LS1's. The STi has a stock trap speed of like 103. The c5 has a stock trap speed of 107. You do the math.

-=Matt=-

[renichms]

quote:Originally posted by PTGT Redman

minor mod to you is a downpipe etc...not cheap and a significant modification.
sti doesn't have the low end torque that the v-10 does...

If a downpipe isn't a minor mod, there is no such thing. For an STi, it IS minor and it IS cheap. And it doesn't matter if the STi doesn't come with the low-end toque of the V10 since we're talking about MODDING the STi. You'd be hard-pressed to find a turbo car that comes with the low-end grunt an STi has (low-RPM), and it's a BEAST when modded. Also, even fully modded, it'll outlast the life of that Viper motor, so it's money better spent.

Since we're talking about modding an STi, it's a moot point when comparing to a stock Viper. I know you guys like the Viper but I'm sorry...you can mod almost anything to beat a stock Viper. V-10 is only the arrangement and number of cylinders. It says nothing of reliability or the potential it has, when stock, against something completely different. If you guys hung in the WRX crowd, you'd see some crazy powerful cars that would EMBARASS a Viper and probably wouldn't doubt me as much then.

RN

[renichms]

quote:Originally posted by Chipmunk

I'm not quick to assume anything, I have 2 good friends who both own '04 STi's (one blue and one white). And I happen to know quite abit about Scoobies too.

There is a big difference between High 12's and Low 12's. Without major mods to the STi like bigger turbo, injectors and PiggyBack ECU it will never see low 12's. Subaru is achieving 300hp at the crank, but they are maxing out the injectors and Turbine efficiency to get there.

And from a roll, I've personally seen the STi get handed it ass many times from LS1's. The STi has a stock trap speed of like 103. The c5 has a stock trap speed of 107. You do the math.

-=Matt=-

It's not as maxed out as you think and it won't take as much to get to low 12s as you think. Go to a WRX board (large) and check the stories on STis. In general, you'll see they do quite well...like me keeping with the C5, others BEATING C5s (yes, it happens), walking LS1s and more. Experience helps. Do some research.

I'm not going to keep defending it for you guys. Keep convinced that the STi isn't fast and gets its ass handed to it by everything. I'll come back with video soon. There is a reason they don't make F-bodies anymore. Off I go to enjoy my STi and spank the inefficient 8s...

RN

[Chipmunk]

quote:Originally posted by renichms

It's not as maxed out as you think and it won't take as much to get to low 12s as you think. Go to a WRX board (large) and check the stories on STis. In general, you'll see they do quite well...like me keeping with the C5, others BEATING C5s (yes, it happens), walking LS1s and more. Experience helps. Do some research.

I'm not going to keep defending it for you guys. Keep convinced that the STi isn't fast and gets its ass handed to it by everything. I'll come back with video soon. There is a reason they don't make F-bodies anymore. Off I go to enjoy my STi and spank the inefficient 8s...

RN

Oh great, another Typical Subaru "The STi is god and nothing can touch it" owner....

[COP TZER]

To put this to rest.... If you take the price difference between a stock Viper and STi, and put into mods for the STi; it is undeniable that the STi will KILL it. However, by the same merit... if you bought a '92 civic hatch (i know, i know) and put the difference in it, you would have a car easily breaking 10's. So to say if you mod this and that, this will kill that is pointless. A rustbucket civic could pull up and embarass EVERYONE. The point is how you wanna get there. A viper is a ballsout sports car that performs well. An STi is more of a tuner car that has great potential and is a phenomenal car for it's price range. Granted it may not be the fastest thing on the planet, but is sure one of if not the fastest car in it's price range. Bang for the buck dictates the STi... this is undeniable; bang in the BALLS dictates the Viper. But with the way gas is going now, i'll take the STi

[Punch]

also, who will win when it rains? wrx
who will win when it snows wrx again.

who can fit 4 people in their car wrx.

Like i said before, if it wasn't for the fact my wife can't drive standard, we have a baby, and the price of the wrx, i would be driving one today.