What more can I do to increase HP?

[Ian-PT-GT]

I have not seen Adam's kit in person but to me it makes sense...

The factory one is Silicone. if pressure goes up, it will ballon up a little and in time, the balooning effect will increase. All the Turbo sets sold have this pipe made from metal, not rubber or silicone.

When I first started playing with turbos, I remember all The "Old School/Rotary" mechanics telling me that I needed to have as little rubber as possible in the intake side...

I wish I had seen his sets before... I would have bought one of them in a heartbeat.

If you don't belive the HP increase numbers, then just go with the long run benefits. You will have a buletproof intake that will withstand any boost pressure...

Just 0.02

Ian

[crazyjoe]

quote:Originally posted by alceryes

What is it? Can you give some more specs?
Thanks...

Someone has to stop persisting this information. The one dyno run that was done showing a 30HP increase from the install of the pipe is not reliable, for a host of reasons which I listed in the post with the dyno results.

[crazyjoe]

quote:Originally posted by Ian-PT-GT

I have not seen Adam's kit in person but to me it makes sense...

The factory one is Silicone. if pressure goes up, it will ballon up a little and in time, the balooning effect will increase. All the Turbo sets sold have this pipe made from metal, not rubber or silicone.

When I first started playing with turbos, I remember all The "Old School/Rotary" mechanics telling me that I needed to have as little rubber as possible in the intake side...

I wish I had seen his sets before... I would have bought one of them in a heartbeat.

If you don't belive the HP increase numbers, then just go with the long run benefits. You will have a buletproof intake that will withstand any boost pressure...

Just 0.02

Ian

You are correct in that rubber can balloon over time. However, the turbo will STILL add pressure until it either overspins or meets the boost threshhold necessary for the WGA to open (either due to PCM or mechanical opening). Your net HP will be very nearly the same, you just may see an increase in spin-up time.

[98 Neon Driver]

quote:Originally posted by crazyjoe

Someone has to stop persisting this information. The one dyno run that was done showing a 30HP increase from the install of the pipe is not reliable, for a host of reasons which I listed in the post with the dyno results.

Not reliable, but it was repeated 3 times, how do you explain that one?

AC

[brngrhd]

if you look at what he has done it sounds right better flowing air filter better flowing air in to the turbo by way of bigger unrestricted pipe. sounds good to me, the other thing is he did alot of work with people that know a hell of alot more than any of us. when it came time to dyno he did not do it by himself he brought in another car and had somebody else do the run and everything so as to keep him out of it. and further more he never said anything about hp gains or projected gains untill after the facts came through. why does everbody think that he is not telling the truth look at what it is and what it took to design it and what he is charging he is not getting rich selling them he is covering costs and putting very little in his pocket for his time.
P.S. there are dyno sheets someplace i have seen them. it was only $325 with filter and everything, what does a k&n set up go for?

[1ptturbo]

quote:Originally posted by IRPT

1ptturbo, welcome to the forum!

Thanks for the friendly welcome IRPT!

From what I have read the srt-4 people are not seeing anywhere near a 30HP gain with a soild up pipe and some post that they only felt better throttle response? If they are not seeing a significant increase in HP, I doubt very seriously we will. I am not knocking the pipe, and I may even purchase one, it is just that 30 hp is a huge increase in power and I am very skeptical of the dyno #'s. It also would seem to me that any increase in torque output over the designed threshold would be pulled back by the PCM, a post by 3barboost specifiaclly stated the only way to increase torque output would be to bypass the PCM control of the wastegate! I feel this is a legitimate argument and can be discussed in a friendly manner. And, I am not calling anyone a liar so please don't flame me.

[brngrhd]

it is not only an up pipe but also ucp too. yes it is alot i thought that too. will the computer pull it back after a while don't know but if you are giong to build more power then it is a good start. you can use it fully with a mbc them the computer can't de-tune it. no he did not have a mbc when he ran on dyno, no it was not his car even independent person. yes the fact of numbers does not do anything i have been around high performance engine shops since i was very young even worked in one very well known guy's shop. he now builds ricky cravins nascar motors and for the past 4-5 years he built matt kenseths motors. i have seen dyno sheets that were totally off on hp. but what i care about is the gain i don't care if he had 25 or 2500 hp i like the 30 gained.

[Cal Cruzer]

quote:Originally posted by brngrhd

why does everbody think that he is not telling the truth

He didn't say he wasn't telling the truth, he said that his dyno runs were unreliable. Look at what he says about it. The car kept downshifting into 2nd. You do a dyno run in the 1:1 gear. A lower gear will have a mechanical edvantage and return more torque. HP is a number calculated from torque. He was telling the truth at to his results, which are in question.

Automatics are hard to dyno unless you can lock the tranny in the 1:1 gear. You can usually on get good numbers in the high RPM range where the trans won't downshift.

[Cal Cruzer]

But let me also say that I think his idea is sound and in many blown applications when a metal charge pipe is added you will see 1-2 more #s of boost. I don't know what our computer will do with it but I like what he has done. I hope he sells just the charge pipe in a flat black. I want a more factory looking application that I can use with a modified air box.

I also hope he enjoys a lot of sucess with his product. We need more inovators like him to keep our little niche of the performance market moving forward

[Mike-in-Orange]

I'm the guy who allowed Adam to test his kit on my car, and I posted the dyno graphs showing the 30HP gain. I know there has been a lot of discussion about this project here and on other forums and I can't say I blame anyone for being skeptical. I will say this though; I don't know how easily you can "feel" an increase of 2-10HP as I admittedly don't have a lot of experience in that arena, but I wouldn't expect you to "feel" a huge difference with those type of numbers. 30HP is something different, you'd darn well better be able to "feel" that increase, especially given the percentage gain it represents. Having driven the car quite a bit with Adam's kit installed I can state without reservation that the perceived gain, the "feel", is very noticeable. Whether launching from a dead stop or nailing it to pass a slower car, the kick is pretty impressive.

I've never taken my car to a track to see what she'll do, but I'd love to one day and even do before/after runs to see how the numbers fall. I'm sure Adam would be interested in such an experiment as well. Heck, the thing bolts on/off pretty easily so it shouldn't be too difficult.

I believe Adam is also gather information from people who have purchased the kit from him, including someone with a boost gauge installed who has reported very favorable numbers. I'm not going to say anything more than that because the information was mentioned to me in a very casual conversation and the last thing I want to do is misstate something and give the wrong impression about this product, either positively or negatively! I'll leave the reporting to Adam.

For me, I think the engineering/sceince/theory behind the kit makes sense, and the real world just seems to confirm it.