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Old 19 Aug 2018, 02:19 am
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Default Mk1 seats into Mk2 - with heating..?

Got a sniff of a set of leather seats out of a Mk1 (circa 2002 as far as I can make out)

I'm fairly sure I should be able to physically straight swap them into a 2007 - but please advise if you know different

But, big BUT - does anyone know if CANBUS will accept the heating in the seats if I plug it in?

Not that bothered to be honest, but it would be nice - I'm more worried that I'd fry something
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Old 19 Aug 2018, 04:32 pm
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theres no canbus dude in the seats. it's just a switch and they're all isolated to the controller on the seat. all you need really is to determine if there's the harness and fuse for the seats if not add it
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Old 19 Aug 2018, 06:01 pm
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Not that I have any experience, but from posts I've seen over the years ., The airbags in the seats are normally the issue
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seat replacement hell

This may be easier:
https://www.autoanything.com/seat-co...A12A231A1.aspx

FYI I know the Gen 1 rear seat belt buckle will not fit into a Gen 2 latch so make sure to keep the same latch with the seatbelt. Not sure about the front belt and latch.



I had an SRS fault which turned out to be a bad latch. I had to wait several weeks to find a junkyard that got a Gen 2 in and was able to pull the latch from it and it fixed the problem. The Gen 2 SRS recognizes that the front passenger is "using the seatbelt" when the latch is engaged. The driver is "using the seatbelt" when the seatbelt is pulled out.
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Old 24 Nov 2018, 06:14 am
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seat replacement hell

This may be easier:
https://www.autoanything.com/seat-co...A12A231A1.aspx

FYI I know the Gen 1 rear seat belt buckle will not fit into a Gen 2 latch so make sure to keep the same latch with the seatbelt. Not sure about the front belt and latch.



I had an SRS fault which turned out to be a bad latch. I had to wait several weeks to find a junkyard that got a Gen 2 in and was able to pull the latch from it and it fixed the problem. The Gen 2 SRS recognizes that the front passenger is "using the seatbelt" when the latch is engaged. The driver is "using the seatbelt" when the seatbelt is pulled out.
So..... returning to the fray on Gen 1's into Gen 2.......

I had a set of the leatherette covers in another car, and they were tut. They looked OK for the first couple of months and went quickly downhill from there. YMMV and all that, but I wouldn't waste money on them.

On the "seat belts won't fit" problem - which is let's face it pretty important - unless anyone knows different, it *looks at a glance* as if the Gen 2 stubs can be fitted to the Gen 1 seats - which is a lot easier than swapping the Gen 2 belts for the Gen 1s....

Anyone got any thoughts on that?

Did anyone ever solve the Great Air Bag Light Mystery...?
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The 2006 and later PT's use the TIPM system. The power seat motors and the seat heaters both get their power from the TIPM. The TIPM may have to be 'turned on' by a dealer. There is a heated seat module located under the left front seat. My 2006 [w/o power seats] has a module under the right front seat, [air bags? last minute driving history?]

This could get complicated, but interesting.
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The 2006 and later PT's use the TIPM system. The power seat motors and the seat heaters both get their power from the TIPM. The TIPM may have to be 'turned on' by a dealer. There is a heated seat module located under the left front seat. My 2006 [w/o power seats] has a module under the right front seat, [air bags? last minute driving history?]

This could get complicated, but interesting.

Well I'm determined to give it a go, as Gen 2 leathers are like Rocking Horse poop over here, and my seats in the diesel are shot - plus, Gen 1 seats are about the most comfortable I've ever known. And I really don't like cloth seats, cos I'm a Princess
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Old 25 Nov 2018, 08:25 am
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The 2006 and later PT's use the TIPM system. The power seat motors and the seat heaters both get their power from the TIPM. The TIPM may have to be 'turned on' by a dealer.
Power seats I have, that shouldn't be a problem.

Seat heaters I don't have, but should be able "hot wire" via a fused link direct from a suitable point, possibly even direct from the battery, which is under the passenger seat in a diesel, and of course the switches are on the seats, so it should just be a matter of connecting to them - assuming any relays involved are within the seats also. If not, again - doable.

The biggy is the side airbags. Short term - I can trick the car with a resistor on those, if I need to...
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Did anyone ever solve the Great Air Bag Light Mystery...?
I'm not sure what you mean by the "Great Air Bag Light Mystery" but my problem was solved when I replaced the front passenger set latch with one from the junkyard.

On the Gen 2 PT's the SRS thinks the driver's seat belt is being used when the belt is extended out from its retracted position but he passenger side is determined by latching the buckle into the latch which has a 2 pin electrical contact connector in it. To remove the passenger side seatbelt latch, you have to remove the seat with a Torx bit or use big channel lock pliers to loosen it which is OK when you're removing it from a junker.
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Old 27 Nov 2018, 01:37 am
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I'm not sure what you mean by the "Great Air Bag Light Mystery"
I'll have to dig out the thread I was referencing ...


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but my problem was solved when I replaced the front passenger set latch with one from the junkyard.

On the Gen 2 PT's the SRS thinks the driver's seat belt is being used when the belt is extended out from its retracted position but he passenger side is determined by latching the buckle into the latch which has a 2 pin electrical contact connector in it. To remove the passenger side seatbelt latch, you have to remove the seat with a Torx bit or use big channel lock pliers to loosen it which is OK when you're removing it from a junker.
So... one could in theory short the switch in the Gen 2 latch, so the car thinks the seat belt is latched...?
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