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[Retro]

quote:Originally posted by satellite66

Whats the matter Don run out of talking points?
For the record I don't think Bush has made no mistakes but unlike you I don't believe that every ill of the world is Bush's fault.
Bush has not cut spending or closed the borders as he should. He has spent far to much time and effort in trying to work with the left when they have no interest in compromise. Bush should take the bipartisan olive branch and beat them over the head with it.

I also would like for Bush to push harder for the Fair Tax bill to be enacted. As for border control, I agree we should have a better method of keeping out terrorists and drug runners, but most of the people who are coming across are good people who work, pay taxes and are a vital part of our economy. We should also have a method ot let them work here legally like the old bracero system used to do for farm workers. Interesting comment about the olive branch and I agree with you there, but Bush's strength as governor of Texas was being able to work effectively with both parties and bring them together for the common good. He won over some very powerful Democrats in the state and the widow of one even spoke for him at the Republican convention. He was re-elected to his second term as governor with about a 70% margin. Unfortunately the Washington Democrats are so separated from the real people and politicized they don't give a damn about coming together for the common good but pushing their interest group's agendas at all cost, even national security. It's disgusting. You're right, it's time to whup 'em upside the head with the olive branch.

[quicksilverdon]

quote:Originally posted by satellite66
He has spent far to much time and effort in trying to work with the left when they have no interest in compromise.

I assume by "left" you mean people who don't agree with him. Gee, I must've missed all that. When did this spirit of compromise happen?
I have points, but you don't want them.
Glad to see you recognize the border issue - THAT concerns me. I'm more concerned with who enters my country than what goes on in Iraq.
Everything isn't Bush's fault - he didn't cause AIDs, for example.

Name something good Bush HAS done - and I'll grant that Afghanistan was a good attempt at getting at Al Qaeda, so beside that.
What I see:
Healthcare - fewer people have medical insurance, (and most medical insurance is a fraud - they automatically deny legitimate claims a couple of times).
More people below poverty level.
Foreign Policy - right...well, we do still have England.
Environment - We won't even talk about it with other countries - (yeah, I'm a liberal here, I actually do prefer not to allow poisoning of the air I breathe).
Budget/deficit - what's that?
Security - do you really think breaking the files off nail clippers at airports makes us safer, when ANYBODY can enter our borders and ships are largely uninspected?
Education - it really troubles me that having an education is nearly a guarantee to be ridiculed, dismissed as lefty, liberal. Global warming doesn't exist, evolution is scoffed at, etc. - not all Bush himself, but he has come out saying he's not convinced about evolution - give me a break!
Again, there's more, but you see a different story, and I'd like to hear some of what you apparently see on the plus side.

[satellite66]

I like what Bush is doing except for what I stated. Just take all the things that you don't like for the most part and I think those are good.
Instead of liberals constantly telling us how bad Bush's ideas are come up with your own and prove they are better. Not with feel good slogans or phony compassion but by winning over the voting public with real positive ideas. Not just Bush sucks raise taxes. Stop trying to win in the courts or in the media and win with the voters.

[satellite66]

Retro is correct Bush did win over dems in TX but as he said the national dems are so far out of touch with normal people that they can't fathom anything but their far left agenda. The dem party in this country has been hijacked by the wacko liberal far left. I would imagine that any dem pol from the 60's back would be a pub today. The new dem party is a collection of radical extremists. Sadly the old dems are not being listened to by this new age dem.

[Retro]

I moved to this county north of Houston about 34 years ago and the local and state government was almost completely Democrats. Texas was traditionally strongly Democratic. The national Democratic party was, as Satellite said, hijacked by the far left with an agenda completely abhorrent to our traditional values here. Now there are almost no candidates on the local ballot in Montgomery County, Texas, who run- even RUN- as Democrats! You are right- where are the better ideas? Howard Dean can only scream vitriol. Diane Feinstein is asking the guy up for Supreme Court Justice questions about memos about endagered toads, for God's sake! Then there's two-faced Biden interrupting the guy's answers on tv and then when he thought the camera wasn't on telling him he's the best they ever had. Then we have Ted Kennedy. If these people in Massachusetts, who call their own state Taxachusetts, are supposed to be so damned much smarter than us Texans, why do they keep electing that alcoholic ,skirt-chasing hypocrite? And all these guys are richer than God, but never seem to spend their own money helping the "poor" they supposedly care about, oh no, they want OURS while they burn gas in their limos and private planes and scream about conservation. I'd vote for the Libertarians most of the time if they could get elected, except for their lassiezfaire drug policies. The Democratic Party long ago ceased to be the "party of the working man" and became the party of the dysfunctional special interests. And more and more people are figuring that out.

[quicksilverdon]

Wow. The last couple posts by Satellite66 and Retro actually give me hope. I see much the same as they do, but in BOTH parties. I look at individuals, not party lines. I LIKE McCain, would vote for him in a heartbeat. I will not vote for Hillary.
The generalizations about the parties that are generally accepted - that the Republicans are for the rich, Democrats for the poor; Democrats have no financial discipline, just spend. These need to be modified - The Repubs are for the rich and wannabe rich, the Dems are for the middle class, neither is for the poor. Republicans have less financial discipline than Democrats! (Reagan "voodo economics" continued).
There are bright spots in both parties and a lot of ugly spots.
I do not dislike Bush because he's Republican, I dislike him because he's incompetent and misguided.

[satellite66]

McCain is not much better than Hillary to me. CFR put McCain on my S list. Bush should have vetoed it. Pubs are for self reliance and making opportunities for people. It only works for people who want to work and succeed. Dems are for making people more dependant on gov at the expense of those who do work. Dividing people by income is a favorite dem tatic. They tell the middle and poor that it is the riches fault they are where they are when I think it is often their own fault. I agree that the pubs have taken a page from the dem playbook when it comes to spending.
Just as with JFK in the 60's it was again proven with Reagan and Bush43, tax cuts work. The problem is not cutting taxes it, is that spending is not controlled. For all the whinning from the left and media about how Bush cut so much it is sadly not true. To the left a cut is when they don't get as much as they want of an increase. Bush needs to veto the spending habits of the congress but so far has not.
Bush is far from incompetent. He is just not favored by the liberal media and as such is portrayed as that. The naive and uniformed fall for it hook, line and sinker.
It now appears that Ms Blanco was caught on tape admitting she messed up by waiting to ask for assistance from the Feds.

[quicksilverdon]

quote:Originally posted by satellite66

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Bush is far from incompetent. He is just not favored by the liberal media and as such is portrayed as that. The naive and uniformed fall for it hook, line and sinker.
It now appears that Ms Blanco was caught on tape admitting she messed up by waiting to ask for assistance from the Feds.

So name SOMETHING good he's done.
Again with the "liberal media" crap. Saw this in the newspaper, and I love it:
"News is what those in power don't want you to know".
Yeah, Ms Blanco seems to be a loser.

[Retro]

Something good he has done is taking the strongest stand yet of any President against the terrorist extremists who are determined to kill us all. Every time they attacked us before, our response was weak and we put our heads up our....... ah, in the sand, and pretended that they would go away, all the while they were emboldened to try to attack us more and more. After 9-11, Bush drew a clear line, defined what we were up against although a lot of you still have your heads.... in a place where you don't want to hear the truth. This is World War Three. Bush has articulated it and is pursuing it worldwide, hampered only by the liberals who are endangering us all, but especially our troops, by their constant propaganda barrages against him. Bullies are not defeated by weakness and "negotiating" with them or pretending they will be "nice" if only we are or if they hate us it's our own fault. They are defeated by taking the fight to them wherever they are at, intimidating them, scaring the hell out of them and kicking their ass before they kick ours. Didn't any of you guys learn anything at recess?

Another good thing he has done is finally getting an energy bill passed, although not as good a one as he wanted. He also has done a great deal for education with his No Child Left Behind program and emphasis on STANDARDS in the public schools. Vouchers would be even better. I was a teacher, and trust me, the problem is NOT money in the public schools. It's discipline and accountability and the need for higher standards and demanding the same level of accomplishment in the classroom we do on the damn football field, and Texas is the world's worst about doing a really good job of teaching kids to tackle, kick over their heads, play a trumpet, raise a pig, but not read, write and figure adequately.

He also has some great initiatives to solve the looming mess of the Social Security shell game, but the Dems don't want to hear that either and have blocked efforts to privatize a lousy system that is out of control and will screw everybody younger than me.

I fault him on tax reform. Get the Fair Tax bill passed and really implemented and there would be such an explosion of entrepeneurship the government wouldn't even be able to spend all the tax money they would collect. There again though, he is held up by liberal opposition, misrepresentation and special interests blocking the deal. You guys whine a lot about jobs going overseas. Well, now , just why do you suppose that happens? Our tax system kills the goose that lays the golden egg and he flies away. Give him incentives to return and watch him crank out those eggs locally- and provide jobs.

[nehope]

quote:Originally posted by quicksilverdon

So name SOMETHING good he's done.
Again with the "liberal media" crap. Saw this in the newspaper, and I love it:
"News is what those in power don't want you to know".
Yeah, Ms Blanco seems to be a loser.

Hey, I got a check for $600 his first year in office! I pay less in taxes every year - and, no, I am not in the upper brackets when it comes to income.

There are a lot more dead terriorists now than there were five years ago.

As a professional educator, I also appreciate the efforts to make the public education system accountable with No Child Left Behind.

Now, if he would just stop up our leaking borders it be icing on the cake!