Thesaura definitionof Liberal vs. Conservative

[nehope]

"Start paying for the unwanted children..."

Funny, I thought we already did ..

[thegoldpt]

Here is the deal, with the girl, and i know this well due to family issues. CHILD IS ADOPTED OUT.... no questions asked........ By giving state aid to people we don't help..... we encourge more people not to use birth control in the first place. I understand that some teens think they know it all, until one day they find out they dont know jack **** about anything, believe me i found that one out the hard way. I know for a FACT that a teenage girl cannot (and should not be allowed to by law) take care of a child. I am a pro-choice kind of guy. I believe it is wrong for politics to get in the way of a womens right to choose what she feels is right, and politics has no right to be be in the middle of what her and her doctor choose to do. ME PERSONALLY: I would NEVER do it, i would adopt out, there are MANY people who would like a child that cannot have one, but it is none of my business what other people choose to do, and it is not the governments business either.

[thegoldpt]

Why do you liberal still drag up that halliburton lie, it is like an old wet sock the dog drags in.

If he was paying them off? How come our oil costs so much?

[Retro]

We do pay for unwanted children now. I taught school. In my ninth grade history class was Marcus. He was 19 years old and in the ninth grade, and had arrived there via social promotion after failing junior high school twice. He would sit in my class saying "I ain't gonna read that, I ain't gonna do that," etc. the days he showed up. I asked the counselor about him and was told " I hate to tell you this, but I suspect the only reason Marcus is in school is so his family can collect Aid to Families With Dependent Children. He does this every year, then drops out at the end of the school year. And comes back again the next year. and he can do this until he is TWENTY ONE YEARS OLD!!" It is a lie that out of wedlock children are not supported by the government- I saw it with my own eyes. And FAR BEYOND WHEN THEY ARE EVEN CHILDREN!
My doctor and his wife desperately want a child and cannot have one. They are applying to adopt one from Korea because they cannot get one here, there aren't enough. You would never find two more suitable people to be loving, wonderful parents than these kids. So, if somebody doesn't want a child, makes a bad choice and ends up pregnant, there are loads of loving families who do and support mechanisms to help any girl in this situation. I am pro choice too- for the baby who has a right to live, for the choice to take personal responsibility for one's actions, for all adults over the age of 18 to work for a living and not show up in classrooms totally unwilling to learn to collect a handout, and for responsible birth control, including and especially the sensible chloice of abstinance for teenagers and anybody else unable to support the consequences of their actions. And whatever happened to families? Certainly part of being a parent is being willing to support your own kid's choices and helping them when they make ones that result in this situation. People HAVE choices- one of my best friends in high school got pregnant at fifteen. She married ( that is what you did right away in those days), was divorced at seventeen, worked her way through college, took care of her child, got a good job, remarried and had a wonderful responsible life. It's total BS a girl can't make it and raise a child by herself, millions do and do a good job of it. You talk about stupidity but aren't willing to hold anyone but our President responsible for sensible behavior. Trust me, these people you are crying the crocodile tears over are the stupid ones. People too often make stupid choices and expect the rest of us to bail them out as your liberal friends do. But they want the bailout not to help them, on the contrary, it hurts them, but to keep power by making them dependent. And that is the cruelest choice of all.

[thegoldpt]

I can agree, in my personal sence, i would adopt out in a second before i would abort( the fact i am a man makes this a mood point i guess). Because there is like you said, many people who want to have children and cannot. I dont want to inflict my personal beliefs on another person, who has the right to make her own desisons. I want this country to start working on teaching that birth control is okay, and you can use it, and even get it for free. I get tired of the churches telling people that birth control is a sin, which it is not, (personally, i think they say that so they insure that they will have many future members to pay them money in the future)i want a person to came and show me where in the religous texts it says "using a condom is a sin" remember back when the bible , koran, e.t.c was written they had no such thing. I can assure you that it is not. I am not saying that i am not religous in anyway, i just think orginized religion is just not for me. I pray to my god in my own way on my own time. I think now days the churchs are more focused on money and not religion....

[Hill Cruiser]

Can a conservative disagree with any position in the Republican platform?
If I'm for "Right to Life", for a strong National defense and against more gun control doesn't this make me a conservative? Now if I think the Pres. lied to us about Iraq and that we should never hove gone, does this instantly make me a liberal?
I know of no 2 Democrats that agree on every subject.On the other hand, it's hard to find 2 Republicans that disagree on any subject.
I don't like either label but if I have to toe the party line on every issue and never question the govt's motives in order to be conservative then I guess I'm one of those liberals out to destroy America, or at least some peoples vision of America...

[thegoldpt]

That makes perfect sence, i consider myself a concervitive, but i am entirley pro-choice. I however am against hard-line gun-control and support the president.

[robinjoe]

Maybe someone can enlighten me.
What law legalized abortion?

Joe

[Hill Cruiser]

Can a conservative disagree with any position in the Republican platform?
If I'm for "Right to Life", for a strong National defense and against more gun control, doesn't this make me a conservative? Now if I think the Pres. lied to us about Iraq and that we should never hove gone, does this instantly make me a liberal?
I know of no 2 Democrats that agree on every subject.On the other hand, it's hard to find 2 Republicans that disagree on any subject.
I don't like either label but if I have to tow the party line on every issue and never question the govt's motives in order to be conservative then I guess I'm one of those liberals out to destroy America, or at least some peoples vision of America.

Unless your studying propaganda or exercises in deception, I'd stay away from any web site that promotes itself as Conservative or Liberal. It's hard enough to find the truth. Looking in places where it can't survive is a waste of your precious time.

[Retro]

quote:Originally posted by robinjoe

Maybe someone can enlighten me.
What law legalized abortion?

Joe

History/Facts About Roe vs. Wade:


"Jane Roe" (whose real name was Norma McCorvey) was a woman who challenged the criminal abortion laws in Texas. These laws forbade abortion except in cases where the mother's life was in danger; claiming they were unconstitutional.
Henry Wade was the Texas Attorney General who defended the anti-abortion law.

Dates Argued: December 13, 1971 and October 11, 1972
Opinion Date: January 22, 1973

Sarah Weddington argued the cause for Roe twice. Jay Floyd argued the cause for Texas in the first argument. Robert C. Flowers argued the cause for Texas in the second argument.

The conclusion held that a woman's right to an abortion falls within the right to privacy protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.
The vote was:

Majority: Blackmun(for the Court), Brennan, Powell, Marshall T.
Concurring: Burger, Douglas, Stewart
Dissenting: Rehnquist, White B.

Interesting sidenote: Since the decision, Norma Mcorvey has since regretted her decision to get an abortion and has become an outspoken critic of abortion.

Personally, I am against abortion but consider it a personal issue, and I am very much in favor of responsible behavior, including birth control. Many churches do not teach birth control is a sin. I have known a few women who got an abortion and every one of them suffered immeasurably psychologically as a direct result of this decision. The ones I know of either were ( two are deceased) or are alcoholics. There is a real price inside a woman's heart for this decision that isn't discussed by the "prochoice" people but it is there, and it is very sad.