Thesaura definitionof Liberal vs. Conservative

[amazingarthur]

Thought this would be appropriate.

Thesaurus says the synonyms for each are.....

Liberal-
advanced, avant-garde, big, broad, broad-minded, catholic, detached, disinterested, dispassionate, enlightened, flexible, free, general, high-minded, humanistic, humanitarian, impartial, indulgent, inexact, interested, latitudinarian, left, lenient, libertarian, loose, magnanimous, not close, not literal, not strict, permissive, pink, radical, rational, reasonable, receiving, receptive, reformist, tolerant, unbiased, unbigoted, unconventional, understanding, unorthodox, unprejudiced

Conservative-
bourgeois, cautious, constant, controlled, conventional, die-hard, fearful, firm, fogyish, fuddy-duddy, guarded, hard hat, hidebound, holding to, illiberal, inflexible, middle-of-the-road, not extreme, obstinate, old guard, old-line, orthodox, quiet, red-neck, right, right-wing, sober, stable, steady, timid, traditional, traditionalistic, unchangeable, unchanging, uncreative, undaring, unimaginative, unprogressive, white bread

There are some good things in both synonyms, but I know which I like better........and I'm sure you'll let me know which you like.

[satellite66]

If being liberal is all those things then why are NO and La such a mess?
Liberal dems have been running both the state and city for 60 yrs. It should be a shining example of liberal utopia. Why were people in NO so poor? Why was crime so high? Why were wages so low? Why were there no good paying jobs? Why was there looting after Katrina? Why is there so much corruption in the NO PD? Why were their gangs in NO at all? Why did the enlightened, progressive, understanding leaders of NO and La fail to properly respond to Katrina? Why did they not anticipate the racist, slow, indifferent response from Bush and the GOP and have a brilliant master plan to save the day?

Before you respond with the text book lefty its Bushs fault, I remind you that their have been dem presidents during the last 60 yrs. The dems for a majority of that time controlled both senate and house. I don't understand why NO is not a shining example of what progressive thinking could achieve?

[Retro]

The problem, Arty, is that liberals aren't. Neither are conservatives what the definitions you give say. The behavior of each does not fit your intolerant "illiberal "stereotypes. Today's Conservatives have become the more enlightened and flexible problem-solvers while Liberals remain mired in the past of rigid class-warfare failures.

[amazingarthur]

quote:Originally posted by Retro

The problem, Arty, is that liberals aren't. Neither are conservatives what the definitions you give say. The behavior of each does not fit your intolerant "illiberal "stereotypes. Today's Conservatives have become the more enlightened and flexible problem-solvers while Liberals remain mired in the past of rigid class-warfare failures.

You mean Conservatives area problem-causers, not solvers.

They are certainly NOT enlightened. And flexible, hehehehe. That's a good one.

Liberals may have some problems, at least we don't have the deaths of nearly 2000 soldiers and countless Iraqis on our hands!

I'm sure your conservative Christian God is pleased at the "Jihad" you are waging.

[satellite66]

quote:Originally posted by amazingarthur



Liberals may have some problems, at least we don't have the deaths of nearly 2000 soldiers and countless Iraqis on our hands!

I'm sure your conservative Christian God is pleased at the "Jihad" you are waging.

Nice a heathen judging what pleases God.
Arty how many unborn babies have been killed by being Pro Choice? Do you think God is pleased by that?
Liberals are responsible for soldiers deaths. Do you think all this liberal bashing of the war and the president hurts the terrorists or energizes them? If the left would have allowed us to finish Saddam in 91 instead of wanting to keep him in power, how many less people would there be in those mass graves?
It was liberal appeasement that allowed Hitler to do what he did.

[quicksilverdon]

quote:Originally posted by satellite66
If the left would have allowed us to finish Saddam in 91 instead of wanting to keep him in power,

WOW! You need to re (or re-read) George Orwell's 1984. THAT is re-writing history. It was Daddy Bush's call, and he seemd to think they could do a deal with Saddam, (hey, it worked in Iran) and didn't have a puppet to replace him.
Besides, in '91, we really DID have a coalition, that included Saudis, and THEY don't want dictators toppled, that'd ruin their game...
Hey, I got it! The Devil is a lefty!

[amazingarthur]

quote:Originally posted by satellite66

Nice a heathen judging what pleases God.
Arty how many unborn babies have been killed by being Pro Choice? Do you think God is pleased by that?
Liberals are responsible for soldiers deaths. Do you think all this liberal bashing of the war and the president hurts the terrorists or energizes them? If the left would have allowed us to finish Saddam in 91 instead of wanting to keep him in power, how many less people would there be in those mass graves?
It was liberal appeasement that allowed Hitler to do what he did.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The right has total control of the White House, Congress, and Senate. Where is the anti-abortion law?

Fact- Abortions have INCREASED under Governor Bush.
Fact-Abortionss were LOWER under Clinton!

Funny you bring up Hitler. Seems a lot of religous people supported Hitler, just like Governor Bush. And both said, if you're not with us you are against us. You aren't patriotic if you question us.

Again, impeachment isn't enough, we need to IMPRISON THESE PEOPLE![?]

[satellite66]

It was not daddy Bush's call. He did what the left wanted and built one of their precious coalitions and allowed the corrupt UN to run the show. Daddy Bush did not have the senate or the house on his side at the time. If anyone is rewriting history it is the left. They balked at taking out Saddam but now complain that Bush 41 did not.
He tried to work with liberals and look where that got us. That was Bush 41's biggest mistake.
If the left is not worried about an anti abortion law why is that the only question they ask judges? I will tell you. The left has lost in the arena of elections and can only get their agenda thru the courts.

The devil is indeed a lefty. Who else has lower morals than the devil?


The left had total control also when Clinton was elected. Why was there still poverty, discrimination, war, disease and unemployment? Over the last century the left has controlled the house and the senate longer.
Just as I said before La and NO were under total dem control for 60 yrs. Why was it not perfect?

[Retro]

Arthur, you become more and more amazing. The law of the land permits abortions and the conservatives who oppose it are not in total control to change that. If you are against abortion, then why you would support the left is truly amazing. I tell you what always amazes me. I am always amazed at the way the language is "managed" to make the positions of the left more palatable and disguise what they really mean. Take "pro-life", for example. Basically, those against abortion are referred to as "pro LIFE", right? Ok. Sounds logical. So, if we were being logical here, what is the opposite view called. PRO-DEATH?? OH, no. that sounds a little..... harsh, dontcha know?! Forget that it's logical, and accurate. Now, we need to find a "nicer" sounding word to describe killing these babies. So, we don't call them babies, and we don't talk about the fact that somebody is going to kill them before they get to take their first breath of air. Nope, it's PRO-CHOICE. Sounds so much nicer. We worry about the Mom's body. She has a choice. ( nobody is asking the kid whether he or she wants to live and giving it a choice and no worry about that little body.) Then, the very people who advocate croaking all these kids, are the very same people who claim to care so much about "the children." Go figger. Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

[amazingarthur]

quote:Originally posted by Retro

Arthur, you become more and more amazing. The law of the land permits abortions and the conservatives who oppose it are not in total control to change that. If you are against abortion, then why you would support the left is truly amazing. I tell you what always amazes me. I am always amazed at the way the language is "managed" to make the positions of the left more palatable and disguise what they really mean. Take "pro-life", for example. Basically, those against abortion are referred to as "pro LIFE", right? Ok. Sounds logical. So, if we were being logical here, what is the opposite view called. PRO-DEATH?? OH, no. that sounds a little..... harsh, dontcha know?! Forget that it's logical, and accurate. Now, we need to find a "nicer" sounding word to describe killing these babies. So, we don't call them babies, and we don't talk about the fact that somebody is going to kill them before they get to take their first breath of air. Nope, it's PRO-CHOICE. Sounds so much nicer. We worry about the Mom's body. She has a choice. ( nobody is asking the kid whether he or she wants to live and giving it a choice and no worry about that little body.) Then, the very people who advocate croaking all these kids, are the very same people who claim to care so much about "the children." Go figger. Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense to me.

The right is against birth control, sex education, pregnancy before marriage, abortion, and welfare for single mothers.

Pick one that you would allow.

Let's say a teenage girl gets pregnant, she's not allowed to have an abortion, so...she has an unwanted child. She tries her best to raise the child while working a just above minimum wage job (why pay more? That would take money away from the corporations).

She soon finds herself unable to afford the basics, so she applies for state aid, but wait, righties hate assistance programs! She should work. Besides the assistance is almost a joke. How does one raise a child on this kind of money? She can't get a good job, let alone an affordable daycare. What's a girl supposed to do?

You want all these people to have babies, but you don't want to help take care of them by paying a decent wage or helping with a social program.

Make up your mind!

And we are NOT pro-death. I hate abortion too! I wish more women would give their children up for adoption. It is not my decision for a woman to give birth. Nor is it yours.

Don't forget the stigma that goes with pregnancy before marriage. While it may not be as bad as it was 20 years ago, it plays a big part in a girl's decision. Who is responsible for that stigma? Not the religious right, of course.

So, you want to outlaw abortion? Start paying for the unwanted children. Or would that be another lefty social program we couldn't afford.

I would be willing to compromise, let Halliburton run it for billions of dollars (we won't let any other company bid on it)! Now I know you're on board.