I'm Confused

[thegoldpt]

I'm Confused
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I'm confused. I can't understand it. Maybe you can.
I'm trying to get all this political stuff straightened out in my head.
Lemme see; have I got this straight?

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists -good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...

No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...

Ahh, it's so confusing!

[quicksilverdon]

I thought you were taking politics to the other site:
http://politics.forumwise.com/

[:I]

[Johns Steel Blue]

quote:Originally posted by quicksilverdon

I thought you were taking politics to the other site:
http://politics.forumwise.com/

[:I]

Here Here. I'm with you QSD!

[amazingarthur]

This list was going around before the election. More misinformation. I replied to all of these individually in the past, but I don't have the time to do it again. I dug this up instead. It is from pre-election.

Too bad this didn't get tossed around the internet instead of all the mis-information the right sends out.

It proves what BS this "Confused" list is. But, pretty typical for Republicans to be confused.[:I]

1) Bush is running against JOHN KERRY not Bill Clinton. I mean, seriously, if the Democrats were sending out propaganda bashing Reagan and comparing him to Kerry, wouldn't all of you Republicans be laughing out loud? Well, we Dems do the same when we see this stuff from you guys. It's funny, it truly is, how much you all hate Clinton and just can't give up even when he's no longer in office, running for anything, and isn't even campaigning for anyone at the moment.
2) This is essentially a bunch of pithy emotionally based "statements" (notice I didn't say facts - see below) most of which are either not true or are misleading enough to be considered untrue. Really, is that the best you Republicans can do? There isn't a SINGLE reference to a fact, statistic, study, or news report in this e-mail. Republicans should beware of stuff like this - it's so easy to pick apart (see below). I know the current administration doesn't seem to have too much regard for FACTS, but the Republicans would serve their cause a little better if they started to care about the FACTS. There seems to be some idea among the conservatives that if you say it often enough, people will believe it, (sad to say, they may be right) but it doesn't actually make what is being repeated factually accurate.

> Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
> Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

FACT: The Clinton administration awarded Halliburton a no-bid contract in Yugoslavia.
FACT: The Bush administration awarded Halliburton billions in no-bid contracts in Iraq which dwarf anything Halliburton received under Clinton.
OPINION: Is it not good that either administration awarded no bid contracts to Halliburton (also, Halliburton was already established there and was the only company at the time capable of doing that work in that part of the world at a decent price).
FACT: In only one administration is there a colossal conflict of interest where the Vice President STILL receives millions annually from Halliburton, a company he ran just prior to being the second in command.

> Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good..
> Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...

Bush's war is more like $200 billion (when they give lesser figures, it's because they're only counting actual expenditures, not funds appropriated or authorized). Besides that, we were successful in Serbia . . . with comparatively minimal cost to the American tax payer and minimal loss of American life, and we were successful there in a relatively short period of time. The situation there did not deteriorate into chaos, Milosevic was captured, and there is stability there now. So, yes, Clinton did a more effective job than Bush (at less cost in dollars and human life) at removing a dictator.

> Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
> Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Bush hasn't exactly imposed regime change. His foolish actions have plunged Iraq into chaos and left it a fertile ground for terrorists who weren't there before we invaded. There really is no guess as to when true regime change that results in a free, independent, and democratic Iraq might happen. . . if it ever does. Clinton succeeded at regime change in Serbia more quickly, at less cost to the American taxpayer, and with less loss of human life. He also had UN and NATO support which meant we did not alienate the rest of the world in the process of ridding the world of a genocidal dictator as Bush has done.

> Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists- good...
> B

[fritz_t_coyote]

quote:Originally posted by amazingarthur



1) Bush is running against JOHN KERRY not Bill Clinton.

But REALLY in 2004 President Al'Gore was re-elected in a landslide in Liberal Bizzaro-World.

[satellite66]

Arty, if the dems were so great why did they lose?

[Retro]

Arty, where do you even get these total loads of crap? Just a few "corrections"- when anybody runs for public office, their holdings in ANY company are put in a blind trust so they don't profit from any of it during their time in office. It is run by separate trustees with no connection to the candidate. ALL candidates for public office do this. So the Halliburton stuff is a total crock. Also, there are companies who are the only ones who CAN perform on some of these contracts, for example, putting out the oil well fires. It is such dangerous and specialized work they need professionals to do it, and only a few of those exist. Halliburton, Brown and Root, Boots and Coots, Red Adair; all these are specialized companies that know how to perform in their areas of expertise. You don't hire a magician to do brain surgery. That is why these guys get these contracts, because they are set up to do them. Just a couple of examples of total ignorance of the "facts" of how real life works in your post.

[amazingarthur]

quote:Originally posted by satellite66

Arty, if the dems were so great why did they lose?

Lot's of reasons.

-Mass mailing of propoganda-"John Kerry will take your bible and let gays get married." Typical Rove techniques.

-Mega Church Pastors and the Religous Right's brainwashing.

-Swift Boat Veterans for Lies

-FOX news

-AM Radio Neo-Cons

-Lack of information

-The false emails going around

-And finally, Kerry and company didn't run a great campaign. But at least they kept it mostly clean.

This isn't the first time the public has voted against their best interest.....
-Nixon
-Reagan
-Bush 1
-and now Bush 2 (although technically he never won the 2000 election) so he is still a Governor in my eyes.

[amazingarthur]

quote:Originally posted by Retro

Arty, where do you even get these total loads of crap? Just a few "corrections"- when anybody runs for public office, their holdings in ANY company are put in a blind trust so they don't profit from any of it during their time in office. It is run by separate trustees with no connection to the candidate. ALL candidates for public office do this. So the Halliburton stuff is a total crock. Also, there are companies who are the only ones who CAN perform on some of these contracts, for example, putting out the oil well fires. It is such dangerous and specialized work they need professionals to do it, and only a few of those exist. Halliburton, Brown and Root, Boots and Coots, Red Adair; all these are specialized companies that know how to perform in their areas of expertise. You don't hire a magician to do brain surgery. That is why these guys get these contracts, because they are set up to do them. Just a couple of examples of total ignorance of the "facts" of how real life works in your post.

Yeah, that disproves everything. As if Cheney isn't getting anything from Haliburton. There are so many ties between Haliburton and this government bending over backwards to get them contracts. It's sickening.

How can you deny the Haliburton-White House Relationship. It's called war profitering.

These people are CROOKS. There are billions of dollars unacounted for under this administration.

You are probably against welfare. Why not stand up against the worst welfare of all? Corporate welfare.

Anyone who supports these EVIL criminals, should start questioning their leaders. Or does that make you "un-American?"

BTW, is there a reason people keep dragging my career into this? Why do people have to mention I'm a magician? I guess I should thank you for the publicity. Maybe I'll pick up some gigs. Republicans are usually the only people who can afford me, so maybe I should watch my criticism..........

[satellite66]

quote:Originally posted by amazingarthur

Lot's of reasons.

-Mass mailing of propoganda-"John Kerry will take your bible and let gays get married." Typical Rove techniques.

-Mega Church Pastors and the Religous Right's brainwashing.

-Swift Boat Veterans for Lies

-FOX news

-AM Radio Neo-Cons

-Lack of information

-The false emails going around

-And finally, Kerry and company didn't run a great campaign. But at least they kept it mostly clean.

This isn't the first time the public has voted against their best interest.....
-Nixon
-Reagan
-Bush 1
-and now Bush 2 (although technically he never won the 2000 election) so he is still a Governor in my eyes.

That is quite a whine list.

If you leftys had as many answers as you have excuses you might get a few votes once in awhile.

The only one that is even close to honest is Kerry ran a crap campaign.

I like the elitest sound of your post which makes it sound like voters are stupid and only a liberal knows whats best. Perhaps that is why both Gore and Kerry lost?