Politicians and Gas Prices

[distortedlife]

Well I'm not a Die hard environmentalist, but we have to think about the future and the fact the crude oil is not a renewable commodity, and whoever says that alternative fuels will NEVER cover the world demand for energy is wrong, take a look at Brasil, they are the most energy independent country in the world (alternative fuel wise), they produce ethanol from sugar cane, and performance wise the ethanol produced from sugar cane has more octance than E85 (E85 has more octane-about 100 to 105-than premium 93 Grade gas)

So imagine, more performance, cheaper than gas, renewable and eco-friendly. I know that this is not a miracle fuel and it'll take a mix of other technologies to be fully independent of fossil fuels, but we have to have the will to change and act accordingly, the technologies are out there.

Here's a link to the article about Brasil:

Brazil Exploits Ethanol as a Substitute for Petroleum

[distortedlife]

I'm going to attend (by next year GOD willing) Wyotech to learn all I can about cars, with this knowledge I want to implement existing engine and performance upgrades or even build my own, that will use alternative fuels entirely or at least use less fossil fuels. I'm not aiming to save the world or rid our society of pollution, I just want to do SOMETHING to contribute to the solution and not the problem.

[distortedlife]

Here's another link for those of you that have doubts on whether ethanol is worse than gasoline or not:

E85 Questions and Answers

[satellite66]

I am not so sure that oil does not renew. Either way we know we have oil availible to us that is not from the middle east. This oil is being held hostage by enviromentalist groups who have a distorted veiw. I don't know if anyone has ever seen the magazine covers or stories from the 70's about global cooling and how we only had X amount of years before we freeze to death in anothe ice age. Now these same people are predicting we will burn up in our lifetimes. These folks are not mainstream and to me are about as logical as the animal rights people.
The same guys who tell us that oil is doom also won't allow us to build any more nuclear plants or use clean burning coal which we have in abundance to produce power currently being produced from burning oil. If we would utilize what we have instead of having to bow to foreign oil we could reduce the price and spend more on other energy resources.
Rich Hollywood types and liberal politicians who fly around in private jets and live in energy gobbling mansions are not qualified enough to me to make judgements, recommendations or scientific theories.

[bados]

Originally Posted by satellite66

I am not so sure that oil does not renew. Either way we know we have oil availible to us that is not from the middle east. This oil is being held hostage by enviromentalist groups who have a distorted veiw. I don't know if anyone has ever seen the magazine covers or stories from the 70's about global cooling and how we only had X amount of years before we freeze to death in anothe ice age. Now these same people are predicting we will burn up in our lifetimes. These folks are not mainstream and to me are about as logical as the animal rights people.
The same guys who tell us that oil is doom also won't allow us to build any more nuclear plants or use clean burning coal which we have in abundance to produce power currently being produced from burning oil. If we would utilize what we have instead of having to bow to foreign oil we could reduce the price and spend more on other energy resources.
Rich Hollywood types and liberal politicians who fly around in private jets and live in energy gobbling mansions are not qualified enough to me to make judgements, recommendations or scientific theories.

"liberal politicians?" I think it's more having to do with the conservatives than librals. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[bados]

Originally Posted by Retro

Oh, I've been to South Florida several times. I don't think it is much different for tourism except that the beaches and water are nicer, but it has a lot of the same things in the way of businesses. I think, if anything, they would benefit from increased people coming to work the rigs and an increased tax base. Rigs tend to attract fish, too, and might even have the bonus of attracting Scuba divers.

I think what the people worry about in Florida is oil leakage and what it would do to the environment. Remember, tourism is Florida's main industry, beside oranges and grapefruit that is. A lot of jobs depend on tourism in Fla.

[satellite66]

Originally Posted by bados

"liberal politicians?" I think it's more having to do with the conservatives than librals. Wake up and smell the coffee.

None of the folks crying gloom and doom seem to practice what they preach. If you want to see those hypocrits as champions then that is your business.
As far as drilling off our coasts goes. It seems that I heard both Cuba and Venezula are drilling off our coasts so why can't we? Do you think that they will worry about our beaches?
How do you explain the liberal Kennedys fighting a wind farm off the coast by their compound then? Are they worried about a spill? No they don't want it in their backyard but will lecture us about how bad we all are.
Who is dumb enough to believe that conservatives want to pollute the water or the air that they have to use also?

Getting back to the topic. Politicians contribute greatly to the cost of gas in this country. Either thru taxes or thru ridiculous enviromental regs that hamper exploration and production. Those are facts as opposed to the consensus pushed by liberal politicians and their partners in the media.

[distortedlife]

Originally Posted by satellite66

I am not so sure that oil does not renew.

Fossil fuels ARE renewable, thing is that compared to our lifespans, they take millions of years to develop, and even vampires only last a few hundred years

[quicksilverdon]

Originally Posted by distortedlife

Fossil fuels ARE renewable, thing is that compared to our lifespans, they take millions of years to develop, and even vampires only last a few hundred years

But if you believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old, that's tossed out, too...

I love the debunkers of scientists... "Whadda they know?".

Oil presently is being consumed at an increasing rate. Production can't keep up, so prices rise. It'll only get worse, unless we reduce our dependence on petroleum. I think Diesels and vegetable oil are better than ethanol - certainly better than corn ethanol. I was not fond of Carter, but there was a push under him for Solar energy, better efficiencies, etc., then Regan said "there's plenty of oil" - yeah, for HIS lifetime.

I feel the goal should be to not have to import oil. Why send money to people that hate us? We wouldn't be in Iraq if they weren't sitting on oil that we want and we wouldn't be threatening Iran if they weren't sitting on oil.

Nuclear, petroleum from coal, Solar, wind, bio-diesel, hybrids - each is a piece of the puzzle - I don't see one single solution, but to play ostrich and say everything is fine definitely is postponing the problem.

Whether you think global warming is a liberal plot (I don't get what the motive would be, but I do see the motive for Exxon-Mobil to want to pooh-pooh it) or not, I think we could all agree that reducing pollution and reducing our need to import 65% of our oil would be a good thing.

I like how this thread goes back to 2005 - nothing has changed since then...

One more myth-buster - know how you hear that it's liberal's fault because there aren't enough refineries? You know how many permits have been filed for new refineries anywhere in the US in the past ten years? ZERO. The oil cartel LIKES restricted supply. Why invest in a refinery and lower price by increasing supply?

[satellite66]

Maybe the oil companies know its a losing battle to even try and build a new refinery? I find that 0 number hard to believe.