This is insanity US tips Mexico to patrols

[Mean Green]

Originally Posted by Huata

Breaking the law is not necesary a crime, historically a crime is an action someone do against the rights of other, getting across a border was instituted as crime in dictatorial times like the Berlin's Wall by the communist regimen with a penalty of death, I can't understand all the festivity done in the U.S. when that wall falled, and now they are building another one between them and their supossed "partners" of the south, silly doesn't it?

So now we have different shades of gray when breaking the law? Funny how that comes into being when illegal immigration is being discussed. Come into this country legally and I will welcome you with open arms. Come into this country illegally and my rights as a citizen have been violated and every legal immigrant who has come into this country legally is also violated. People who have come into this country legally and attained citizenship are being spit on by illegals. There is no gray area when it comes to breaking the law. Either you did or you didn't. Our so called "partner" of the south can take full blame for what is happening. If Mexico took better care of their people then their people would not want to sneak into this country for better opportunities. They would have them at home. I keep hearing Mexico whine about how illegals are treated here. If Mexico took better care of their people there wouldn't be a huge problem of illegal immigration. Mexico is failing their people. I don't see millions of Americans sneaking into Mexico for a better life. Did you know that illegal immigrants in Mexico can't send their kids to Mexican schools without papers stating they are in Mexico legally? How two faced is that?

[Teekypt]

Did you know that illegal immigrants in Mexico can't send their kids to Mexican schools without papers stating they are in Mexico legally? How two faced is that?

Hmmm, this is ALSO interesting.

[Huata]

Originally Posted by Teekypt

Hmmm, this is ALSO interesting.

Well, that's not quite accurate, about the Mexican schools, in any school a kid is not allowed to register without a certified birth certificate, wherever it is issued, and a Vaccine Booklet, where the Sanitary authorities certify that the kid has all the required vaccines in, and avoid sanitary risks to the other children in school, I Know this because I'm a teacher here in Mexico and I know it at first hand.
We receive here central american, south american, even North American children in our classrooms, for free, but you can't just walk in a classroon and sit to learn, you have to register, just likely as in the Public schools in the U.S. Paperwork first, teaching after.
The paperwork is needed for a very simple reason, to identify a kid, and to issue a certificate of degree every year, tell me how you can issue a certificate without the certainty of a birth certificate?

[Teekypt]

[Mean Green]

Originally Posted by Huata

Well, that's not quite accurate, about the Mexican schools, in any school a kid is not allowed to register without a certified birth certificate, wherever it is issued, and a Vaccine Booklet, where the Sanitary authorities certify that the kid has all the required vaccines in, and avoid sanitary risks to the other children in school, I Know this because I'm a teacher here in Mexico and I know it at first hand.
We receive here central american, south american, even North American children in our classrooms, for free, but you can't just walk in a classroon and sit to learn, you have to register, just likely as in the Public schools in the U.S. Paperwork first, teaching after.
The paperwork is needed for a very simple reason, to identify a kid, and to issue a certificate of degree every year, tell me how you can issue a certificate without the certainty of a birth certificate?

Thanks for that clarification. I got my information off of an internet report on Mexico's illegal immigration problem from South America. Legal immigration limits are supposed to prevent the limited resources for social and other services from being overwelmed. This is not happening in many cities and small towns, including mine. We are being overwelmed. Here is a report on just legal immigration for this country. It doesn't even include illegal immigration and that makes it even more scary. Things have to change.

YouTube - Immigration Gumballs

[Cal Cruzer]

Originally Posted by Mean Green

I have no problem with legal immigrants. I have a huge problem with illegal ones. Why do people confuse the two? People who enter this country illegally are criminals. They have broken the law.

'zackly

[Huata]

In the criminology science, the studied character of the human mind is the "animus nociendi" or the will of harming others, in their bodies, or in their assets, for example, causing an injury with something or fighting, killing, stealing, frauding, awful things like that, getting across a border does not harm anyone, this activitie setted as crime by someone with hate in his veins, but unaccepted by other countries, asi I told you before, How the hell the United Sates people cheered 20 years ago when the berlin's wall falled, yelling at that time repudies against the "racist and comunist government" that enforced the assasination of those who intended to get across that wall, and now support to put precisely that "WALL OF HATE"? Which act is a worse crime? the act of get across a border seeking for a Job, or the act of HUNT humans just because I don't like them, wich is which?

[Mean Green]

Originally Posted by Huata

In the criminology science, the studied character of the human mind is the "animus nociendi" or the will of harming others, in their bodies, or in their assets, for example, causing an injury with something or fighting, killing, stealing, frauding, awful things like that, getting across a border does not harm anyone, this activitie setted as crime by someone with hate in his veins, but unaccepted by other countries, asi I told you before, How the hell the United Sates people cheered 20 years ago when the berlin's wall falled, yelling at that time repudies against the "racist and comunist government" that enforced the assasination of those who intended to get across that wall, and now support to put precisely that "WALL OF HATE"? Which act is a worse crime? the act of get across a border seeking for a Job, or the act of HUNT humans just because I don't like them, wich is which?

You just don't get it and probably never will.

[Mean Green]

Originally Posted by Huata

In the criminology science, the studied character of the human mind is the "animus nociendi" or the will of harming others, in their bodies, or in their assets, for example, causing an injury with something or fighting, killing, stealing, frauding, awful things like that, getting across a border does not harm anyone, this activitie setted as crime by someone with hate in his veins, but unaccepted by other countries, asi I told you before, How the hell the United Sates people cheered 20 years ago when the berlin's wall falled, yelling at that time repudies against the "racist and comunist government" that enforced the assasination of those who intended to get across that wall, and now support to put precisely that "WALL OF HATE"? Which act is a worse crime? the act of get across a border seeking for a Job, or the act of HUNT humans just because I don't like them, wich is which?

Answer this: What is so wrong with coming to this country legally?

[Teekypt]

Answer this: What is so wrong with coming to this country legally?

I think this is truly a valid question.

Here's my final two cents....

Every country has rules and laws. And this is quite simply the point. We may not agree with every rule made, but rules are rules, even if we don't deem them "correct" or "fair".

The speed limit in Houston, in some areas, is 60 mph. I think this is totally RIDICULOUS!!!! A matter of fact, most people think this is ridiculous...because most speed. HOWEVER, if I speed and I get pulled over by a cop, there is nothing that I can say, in my defense, to stop him/her from giving me a ticket. I knew the rules when I got my license (a certificate giving me official permission to drive), and therefore, I deserve the ticket.

I understand that this may not be on the same level as the illegal immigration, however it's the same concept.

Our government is to blame for using illegal labor, in the first place.

BTW here is the earliest definition of "illegal":

(ORIGIN early 17th cent.: from French illégal or medieval Latin illegalis, from Latin in- ‘not’ + legalis ‘according to the law.’)