Bush or Kerry

[nehope]

"They lied to everyone of us about the reasons for going to Iraq! Please explain it to me, how can you not be mad about that? (We are all over the place on this thread, why don't you just answer that question)"

How can I not be mad about that? Saddam Hussein is/was a monster and that is reason enough. As far as I'm concerned, we could have have made a parking lot out of the Middle East on September 12, 2001. You, on the other hand, would allow Saddam to continue unchecked in a feeble, stupid attempt to make him "be nice" through sanctions and negoitiations - while France and Germany got rich off of the misery of his people.

Deal with Iran and Korea. God help us if your boy Kerry had gotten the opportunity to "deal" with them. Maybe if Kim Jung-Il turned his back on Kerry and ran away, he might get shot ...

Why should I - or any American - give a rat's a$$ what the world thinks? The only thing my government should be concerned with is the safety and security of its citizens - by any means necessary.

Rhetoric? At least we are capable of expressing oursleves by using our own words and not cutting and pasting some tired old garbage spewed by bitter losers.

I suggest you stick to what you do best. Hypnotize somebody and maybe they'll buy your tired old drivel. [|)]

[thegoldpt]

First of all, if the liberals would let us build more refinerys, we would have a better oil situation, but now the administration has to find ways to get it refined quickly enough to meet demands. Also, where do you alll copy this stuff from, i would not have the time nor the paitence to write that up. How long has it taken the world to realize the entire middle east is a threat to nation seaurty and iran should be next on the list to deal with. I also never had said any of the above, and what are the arguments that the democratic administrations run things better? I heard of the clintons "so called" "wonderful things he did". Why is it that this country believes what they here on tv, this is where these ideas come from. So why? I cant understand why? So you only listen to the bad about republicans, and the good about democrats? Mind manipulation is what i call it, positive iraq war reports don't get the money in, so they aren't reported.

I never said, or heard anything there of anybody saying that the iraq insurgency was caused by democrats, not do i believe that, it is the same people who down the towers on 9/11 funded by the same group.

9/11 clintons fault, another lie, we never said that, nor have i said that, the clinton administraton delt with it promptly, but should have taken some more steps to do away with bin laden in the first place.

You may applaud the men and women overseas, but you also do a good job at making them feel like **** in the meantime by calling their leader a murder a theif, that does rub off on them after a while.

Considering you have ENOUGH power, ther isn't much being done for those subjects. I consider that a lie, put foreward to bash republicans. However, bushes proposed buget for the DoD is $402 Billion a 7 percent increase from 2004.
In contrast, clintons 2000 budget for the DoD was $262 billion, and he wanted to cut it by another $10 billion.


It costs money after a terror attack, and to fight the terrorists where they live, where you your rather fight the war on terror? Iraq or Iowa?
The clinton surplus was made by taxing the rich, and hording it into government systems. These socialists were profiting more than bush is by far, except the dems did it by stealing the riches money, sence when should i be "punished" for being sucessful, considering the rich put more money into charity than any others in the country.

We do believe in limited government, by leaving things privatized and not enacting government socialist programs. Therefore LIMITING the governments role in our lives, and there are times when the federal government must intervene in states politics.

1. Why should the rich pay for it? What law did they break? Oh yeah, that liberal law that says you cant make money unless you are going to give it away.
2.Poor responce? What? I would like to see clinton do better.... or gore for that matter..... quit pointing fingures about those, just another excuse to bash the government for something. because he "stole" the election, remember if gore was in charge i don't think we would be talking about this now would we?
3.No lies about iraq we found wmds, the media failed to report them.

1. Like i would believe that, and who says that the money was transferred to them

2. Like i would believe her, liar.

3.Bull ****, the democrats are in bed with the media, always have been

4.Bull the 9/11 comission never stated such, no warnings were given by such from any reliable government. The same theats happened way before 9/11

5.Now this one i can agree, he is witholding the american people from importing american drugs, remember capitalism builds business.

6.Because there was no need to take action at the time, by the way the liberals would have never supported any action anyway.

7.We have our own scientists, we dont need them over here, lets not educate our future terrorists..

8.Destroy it? The leading enviromental officals told the president that the oil drilling was completely safe to the enviroment, but he choose not to go along with it.

9.B

[quicksilverdon]

quote:Originally posted by Retro

I am glad I voted for Bush and think he is doing a great job under extremely trying circumstances, and have never seen so much pure, vitriolic hate directed at a person in my life. Of course the guy is a human being and will make mistakes or some of his appointees will, but I defy you to find any organization as complex as the federal government where that isn't true. There are also things he can't personally control. However, I think we are lucky to have him, and I just hope Condoleeza Rice runs and wins after him. I think she would be one of our most brilliant and best Presidents ever. By the way, I do NOT consider myself a Republican, but more Libertarian than anything else.

I wasn't gonna touch this thread, but this really got to me.
Retro - you seem to have forgotten Johnson and Nixon - THEY were hated. I just feel contempt for Bush, not hatred.
Glad to see you admit Bush makes mistakes - too bad he will never admit that. True, all people make mistakes, but his are LU-LUs.

I really can't believe you people defending our being in Iraq. You'll believe anything, it appears. Follow the bouncing ball...

Condoleeza Rice is an arrogant bitch and will be forgotten about very quickly.

How do you Righties live with the fact your boy has generated the largest deficit EVER? I know, now deficit spending doesn't matter, right? Care to guess who owns most of our debt? CHINA...
Oh, are we going to sprinkle our freedom dust there?

If I thought you folks were stupid, I could understand your gullibility, but you form complete sentences - I just don't get it - what do you see in Bush? Name anything positive he's done.
I'll name one thing - Afghanistan - where there WAS some connection to 9/11 (but not as much as Saudi Arabia) too bad we didn't get Bin Laden...

I can't understand ignoring facts by saying the media is biased - are you saying they lie and the government doesn't? Right....

[Retro]

Condoleeza Rice is an "arrogant bitch who will be forgotten about rather quickly???!!!" What a racist, sexist, remark THAT one is! Liberals always have to be PC, right, unless it involves a Republican. Then it's perfectly ok to trot out the bigotry. Since you guys like cut and paste so much, I took the liberty of offering her official biography:

"Biography of Dr. Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor
Dr. Condoleezza Rice became the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, commonly referred to as the National Security Advisor, on January 22, 2001.

In June 1999, she completed a six year tenure as Stanford University 's Provost, during which she was the institution's chief budget and academic officer. As Provost she was responsible for a $1.5 billion annual budget and the academic program involving 1,400 faculty members and 14,000 students.

As professor of political science, Dr. Rice has been on the Stanford faculty since 1981 and has won two of the highest teaching honors -- the 1984 Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and the 1993 School of Humanities and Sciences Dean's Award for Distinguished Teaching.

At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions.

From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military.

She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula . In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco.

Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded honorary doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, the University of Notre Dame in 1995, the National Defense University in 2002, the Mississippi College School of Law in 2003, the University of Louisville and Michigan State University in 2004. She resides in Washington, D.C.

July 2004"

And now she is the first black female Secret

[quicksilverdon]

quote:Originally posted by Retro

Condoleeza Rice is an "arrogant bitch who will be forgotten about rather quickly???!!!" What a racist, sexist, remark THAT one is!

It's funny how strong women are always referred to as "arrogant bitches". Your racist and sexist slip is showing, buddy.

How dare you accuse me of being racist Where did I say anything racial? Because she's black I don't dare say anything against her? I have to ignore her being arrogant because she's black? When she was questioned by Congress, she all but sneered at them and was evasive and condescending.
Bitch IS sexist. She's a pair with Rumsfeld - equally arrogant.
Screw her resume - I didn't say she was stupid, I said arrogant. I can't conceive of her compromising - she's right (no pun) and everybody better see it her way.
I know in the world of the far-right, things are digital - black or white - but I believe in the real world there are shades of gray, and compromise is often a wise solution to opposing viewpoints.

[robinjoe]

quote:Originally posted by quicksilverdon

How dare you accuse me of being racist Where did I say anything racial? Because she's black I don't dare say anything against her? I have to ignore her being arrogant because she's black? When she was questioned by Congress, she all but sneered at them and was evasive and condescending.
Bitch IS sexist. She's a pair with Rumsfeld - equally arrogant.
Screw her resume - I didn't say she was stupid, I said arrogant. I can't conceive of her compromising - she's right (no pun) and everybody better see it her way.
I know in the world of the far-right, things are digital - black or white - but I believe in the real world there are shades of gray, and compromise is often a wise solution to opposing viewpoints.

Don, I disagree with much of what you say, but I agree that Retro was out of line calling you racist.

That having been said, Republicans are called racist every day of the week for much less. I'd sure like to see this debate be a bit more civil.

There are people who love our country on both sides of the argument. And contrary to what many conservatives and liberals think, there are many liberals who love God too. I just happen to think that liberals are well meaning, but misguided.

I do resent the notion presented by so many liberals that conservatives are hateful, greedy and racist just because we disagree with them on how to correct social injustice.

[quicksilverdon]

quote:Originally posted by robinjoe

Don, I disagree with much of what you say, but I agree that Retro was out of line calling you racist.

That having been said, Republicans are called racist every day of the week for much less. I'd sure like to see this debate be a bit more civil.

There are people who love our country on both sides of the argument. And contrary to what many conservatives and liberals think, there are many liberals who love God too. I just happen to think that liberals are well meaning, but misguided.

I do resent the notion presented by so many liberals that conservatives are hateful, greedy and racist just because we disagree with them on how to correct social injustice.

RobinJoe-
I think yours is the best post of this whole thread.[?]

[amazingarthur]

quote:Originally posted by quicksilverdon

I wasn't gonna touch this thread, but this really got to me.
Retro - you seem to have forgotten Johnson and Nixon - THEY were hated. I just feel contempt for Bush, not hatred.
Glad to see you admit Bush makes mistakes - too bad he will never admit that. True, all people make mistakes, but his are LU-LUs.

I really can't believe you people defending our being in Iraq. You'll believe anything, it appears. Follow the bouncing ball...

Condoleeza Rice is an arrogant bitch and will be forgotten about very quickly.

How do you Righties live with the fact your boy has generated the largest deficit EVER? I know, now deficit spending doesn't matter, right? Care to guess who owns most of our debt? CHINA...
Oh, are we going to sprinkle our freedom dust there?

If I thought you folks were stupid, I could understand your gullibility, but you form complete sentences - I just don't get it - what do you see in Bush? Name anything positive he's done.
I'll name one thing - Afghanistan - where there WAS some connection to 9/11 (but not as much as Saudi Arabia) too bad we didn't get Bin Laden...

I can't understand ignoring facts by saying the media is biased - are you saying they lie and the government doesn't? Right....

Finally, another Cruiser owner who can see the light.

The responses you have all given are ridiculous, the "I don't care what reasons are boys are dying for, it's worth it" responses are a riot.

This thread is so wide and covers so much. It is turning into a full time job that doesn't pay. Just like the Republicans have always wanted jobs to be.

What it all comes down to is this.....

You believe our government with it's chronic lies and poor decisions that have made this country and the world a better place to live.

Fact is.
Your beliefs have put generations of Americans at risk. Your decisions to put this ass-clown in office will be felt for years. Middle easterners will want revenge. We have already seen how well the gov't can respond to a crisis post 9/11. I am afraid very afraid.

The first step in any recovery program is DENIAL. The right has spent a lot of time there. Hope you are ready to move on soon.

People who can think for themselves and not drink the red Kool-Aid will make decisions that weren't made based on the Mega Church Pastor, FOX news, or the AM Talk radio legions.

Hopefully, we will get some good, noble, leadership back in the white house.

[amazingarthur]

I do resent the notion presented by so many liberals that conservatives are hateful, greedy and racist just because we disagree with them on how to correct social injustice.


Seriously, how do conservatives deal with social injustice?

Electing the guilty people to office.
Giving them presidential medals of freedom for terrible decisions.
Tax cuts to the rich.
Big business tax cuts.

Social injustice and Republicans?

Republicans=socially injust.

[Retro]

quote:Originally posted by quicksilverdon

RobinJoe-
I think yours is the best post of this whole thread.[?]

What both of you do not realize I don't believe is that "arrogant" was a long-time, racist "code word" used for years in the south to define black people who dared to aspire to the kind of accomplishments Condoleeza Rice achieved, blacks or women, in this case BOTH, who didn't "know their place". I don't think Don MEANT it in that way, however, but in the context he used it, yes, it would have been perceived by blacks and whites of that generation in the south as racist. My point is, often remarks which would never be aimed at a black liberal without massive racial repurcussions can also be insensitively aimed at a black conservative, and nobody calls the aimer on it. I admire Condoleeza Rice for many reasons, but especially for having the strength of character to stick up for herself before often grandstanding Senators in Congress. Your remark about her was what was out of line, Don. If you disagree with her policies or beliefs, fine. But she is NOT a forgettable arrogant bitch because with her considerable intellect she has chosen the ideas and conclusions she has chosen. Hell, she may just be smarter than you! I know she is way smarter than me.