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Old 24 Dec 2013, 04:49 pm
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Hi Everyone

I am excited to finally have my Cruiser, which was my Christmas present this year.

I have discovered that she has a small issue with the roof. It goes up and down fine, but doesn't fold right.

The folds are supposed to go up as the roof goes back, but the fold which is closer to the front of the car folds down. I only really discovered it when I couldn't get the boot cover on as there was this large bulge of roof in the wrong spot.

I can get it to fold the right way if I apply a small amount of pressure to it as it folds back making it go up. Hubby thinks that maybe in its past life the roof was removed and not replaced correctly.

Anyone seen this before?

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!!
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Old 24 Dec 2013, 07:23 pm
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Default Re: 2007 PT Cabriolet - Roof not folding right

With no pics or video it's hard to tell

Seems like more than a small problem to me

You might be needing a new roof


QUOTE=10bosch;504153]Hi Everyone

I am excited to finally have my Cruiser, which was my Christmas present this year.

I have discovered that she has a small issue with the roof. It goes up and down fine, but doesn't fold right.

The folds are supposed to go up as the roof goes back, but the fold which is closer to the front of the car folds down. I only really discovered it when I couldn't get the boot cover on as there was this large bulge of roof in the wrong spot.

I can get it to fold the right way if I apply a small amount of pressure to it as it folds back making it go up. Hubby thinks that maybe in its past life the roof was removed and not replaced correctly.

Anyone seen this before?

Merry Christmas Everyone!!!![/QUOTE]
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Old 25 Dec 2013, 01:35 am
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Default Re: 2007 PT Cabriolet - Roof not folding right

I would recommend taking the car by one or two good auto upholsters that do a lot of convertible top replacements and have them look at it. They will most likely be the ones to be able to fix the problem for you. I suspect from what you are saying that the top has either been replaced before or worked on and something was installed incorrectly.

The reason why I recommend getting or at least being willing to get multiple opinions if needed is because I had a reputable shop in my area replace a convertible top for a customer and the top was not working correctly. The shop that installed the top said they could not figure out what the problem was so I sent to another shop and they corrected the issue. What this taught me is just because a shop replaces convertible tops does not mean that they will not be able to identify and or fix a problem on a convertible top. May just be the person who is looking at it just does not have a clue so good idea to find someone who understands what is wrong so they are not wasting your time and money.
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Old 25 Dec 2013, 04:40 pm
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I am really not sure who I have around me that specialises in convertibles. I will have to do some research and see what I can find.

I was also reading some of other posts about how others have had trouble with the headliner folding into the roof mechanism, and that it seems to be associated with the elastic over stretching. I have that same problem with the headliner catching, and it is occurring at the same point where the roof isn't folding correctly.

I looked at my roof closely, I have the elastic, and it isn't stretched.....because it isn't attached to anything. It serves no function at all as it currently sits. I am wondering if this is the whole cause to my problem

Would anyone be willing to share a pic with me as to the function the elastic performs and how it is supposed to be attached to the car?
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Old 26 Dec 2013, 08:06 pm
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Default Re: 2007 PT Cabriolet - Roof not folding right

If you are in a cold weather locale, I would wait for warmer weather or place the car in heated storage for a day and then see if the material reacts differently. The material is flexible but it obviously can take a little set and has some memory of how it's been folded in the past. Cold weather obviously will reduce the flexibility of the material and may be fighting you right now?
So long as the mechanism is working properly, it may be possible to train the material to lay in the correct position. That assumes you can get it to fold correctly with a little help and have indoor parking available, you can try parking it overnight or for other extended periods with the folds in the correct places. The material may take the new position to memory. If not, so long as it works OK otherwise, just use the careful folding when you intend to install the boot.
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Old 26 Dec 2013, 09:27 pm
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Thanks for the ideas.....but it's the middle of summer here and is currently 35d Celsius

I think I have found a local guy who can have a look at it.

I will also post a pic of the elastic loops to show everyone what I mean a little later on.

Have a great day.
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Old 26 Dec 2013, 11:03 pm
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Ok, so I had the time today to get out with Lola, and have a play with her roof and take some snaps.

I took a pic showing the hood folded back properly, which it needs a little coaxing to acheive. There is also two snaps showing the way the rood folds up on its own without interference.







Lastly I took a photo of the folding mechanism side on from the passenger side. It shows the elastic which I was talking about, but now I'm not so sure this is the problem. There is a hole in the arm which is worn like it used to have something fixed to it, and now there is nothing in it. Its between to the two velcro tabs. I am wondering if this is the issue, because it seems that there is nothing to pull the arm up and back, so instead it goes down.



Would a kind person on this forum be willing to take a similar photo of their car so I can compare?

Also, I have found a local trim guy who has experience with convertibles, but he isn't back at work until halfway through January....everything around here closes down between Christmas and Australia Day. So if I can't figure it out on my own I will go and see him when he is back on deck.

Thanks everyone.
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Old 27 Dec 2013, 10:37 pm
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My first impression looking at your last photo is that the Velcro straps are not holding the top material tight against the top frame. This is allowing the top material to fold away or opposite from how it is intended to fold. This is to say the main outer frame of the convertible top is folding down and yet the top material is not going down with it but rather going up. It appears that the smaller framing is also going the wrong direction which gives me the impression that the framing of the top may be malfunctioning which is the root cause of the problem. I am also interested is seeing the same photo of another members top as your last photo to compare.
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Old 27 Dec 2013, 10:44 pm
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Default Re: 2007 PT Cabriolet - Roof not folding right

The more I study your last photo it just appears to me that the smaller arm that is going up appears to be malfunctioning or separating from the main framing of the top which is causing your problem.
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Old 29 Dec 2013, 06:35 am
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Default Re: 2007 PT Cabriolet - Roof not folding right

Thanks Goldnpt.

I also think that is the problem. There is a small hole in that smaller arm which has wear around it like it used to have something fixed to it, but there is now nothing there.

I'm wondering if this is the issue. Which is why I would really love to see another car to compare it to.
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