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Old 15 Jun 2017, 02:13 pm
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Default Drivers window stuck all the way up.

I have a 2005 touring turbo vert.
I'm guessing the driver window regulator is either fried or needs reprogramming at the dealer (which I cannot afford atm).
The other windows and top are all working (I've done the reset via the tsb many times.)
Until yesterday the drivers window worked, but in reverse, ie pushing the switch up rolled the window down and pushing the switch down rolled the window up.
The other windows work normally up is up and down is down. The front passenger window even does the drop when opening door as it should.
Now the drivers window will only try to go up (while pushing the switch down). Pushing the switch up has no effect.
I have also had the switch completely apart and tested all contacts and they are working.

Here is the part from mopar
https://www.moparpartsoverstock.com/...roduct=6899922

Here's a picture of my motor and module.



There is no way to remove just the module to get to the motor leads location?(red arrow) as far as I can see without removing the whole assembly from the door frame due to lack of clearance (green arrows).
I was wondering if I could remove just the motor from here (blue arrows) to manually turn the gears or if this would just disassemble the motor instead.

My unit is the scissors type not the pulley/cable type.
(the photo is not mine but a picture I found online)


I just need to lower the drivers side window half an inch to keep it from dragging when I open the door or staying wedged open when closed and letting rain in worse than the slight lowering.

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Old 15 Jun 2017, 03:43 pm
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Default Re: Drvers window stuck all the way up.

The cable type will swarm on you if not careful. If the scissor type is made like most other Mopars of this era, you may be able to remove the motor and turn the gear to get the window down. I believe I did that on a Sebring convertible once.

Also, back in my poorer days, I've taken these motors apart, tightened up the bushings with shim material, greased them and got the lift motor to go back to work. It might be worth a try since you will have it apart anyway.

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Old 15 Jun 2017, 05:01 pm
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Default Re: Drvers window stuck all the way up.

Thanks, the mechanical part is almost identical to the older versions.
I'm pretty sure the motor itself is fine but it is the 'smart glass module' not sending the current to the motor.
I was hoping there might be some trick to get the window down just a little without having to remove the whole mechanism until I had the funds to pay the dealer for a reprogram /replace of the module.
Maybe something wiring wise ...

that would send current to the motor bypassing the module as I suspect the plug connector (red arrow in the previous post) is not much more than a two or three prong connection that gets either +/- to spin the motor one way and -/+ to spin it the other.
Just guessing and hoping
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 05:59 pm
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IF that's the deal, have you tried the procedure to reset the smart glass module?

Open both doors.
Disconnected both battery cables.
Touched them together.
Leave them disconnected for 15 minutes.
Touched them together again.
Reconnect them.
With the key on, hold both buttons up for 5 to 10 seconds.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 07:25 pm
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Default Re: Drvers window stuck all the way up.

Everything there except the grounding the cables together.
I had problems before with the top and other windows but have always just unhooked the battery for about 30 minutes with the doors open to reset everything.
Well that is everything except the drivers door running in reverse as it wasn't really a problem as long as it did go up and down.
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Old 16 Jun 2017, 12:12 pm
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IF that's the deal, have you tried the procedure to reset the smart glass module?

Open both doors.
Disconnected both battery cables.
Touched them together.
Leave them disconnected for 15 minutes.
Touched them together again.
Reconnect them.
With the key on, hold both buttons up for 5 to 10 seconds.
Had storms moving in last night so I couldn't try it then. Had to wait till lunch time today.

I tried the reset using your instructions and grounding the cables this time but no joy.
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Old 16 Jun 2017, 01:30 pm
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TSB 08-035-05

SUBJECT:
Power Windows (One Or Both Sides) And Possibly Power Convertible Top Inoperative
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves flash reprogramming the Smart Glass Module (SGM) or on some
vehicles replacing the front window regulator/SGM assemblies.
MODELS:
2005 (PT) Chrysler PT Cruiser Convertible
NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles built prior to June 9, 2004 (MDH 0609XX)
having Smart Glass Module software versions prior to Version 11.0 (as read
with diagnostic tool).
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
With the proper system voltage condition (10 -16 volts), the following conditions exist on
either or both sides of the vehicle:
No operation of the front and rear windows, including front window drop during door
opening and window drop during convertible top operation.
Unable to communicate with either or both SGMs with the DRBIIIŽ.
If the driver side SGM is affected, the driver side windows will exhibit the conditions
described above as well as the power convertible top will be inoperative.
DIAGNOSIS:
After confirmation of the conditions identified above, the following reset procedure must be
performed to determine the module hardware and software level:
1. Open both doors (provides a faster voltage decay in the SGMs).
2. **Disconnect and isolate the negative battery cable.
3. Keep the battery disconnected for a minimum of 15 minutes.
4. Reconnect the negative battery cable.**
5. Connect the DRBIIIŽ, turn ignition switch to ON position and read hardware and
software information for both of the SGMs.
NUMBER: 08-035-05
GROUP: Electrical
DATE: June 30, 2005
6. Dependent on the version of module hardware/software, follow the Repair Procedures
to reprogram the SGM(s) or to replace the front window regulator/SGM assemblies. If
the module software is Version 11.0, this service bulletin does not apply and further
diagnosis is required.
PARTS REQUIRED:
Qty. Part No. Description
AR (1) 05067452AE Regulator, Assembly w/ Smart Glass Module, Right
Front Window
AR (1) 05067453AE Regulator, Assembly w/ Smart Glass Module, Left Front
Window
SPECIAL TOOLS/EQUIPMENT REQUIRED:
NPN Battery Charger
CH2002 General Purpose Interface Bus Cable Assembly
CH6000A Scan Tool (DRBIIIŽ)
CH7000A/7001A J1962 Cable with red DRBIIIŽ connector
TechCONNECT Workstation
NOTE: An updated J1962 cable has been released. This cable has a red colored
connector at the DRBIIIŽ connection. Use this cable whenever a flash is
being performed.
REPAIR PROCEDURE:
Module Resetting
1. Open both doors (provides a faster voltage decay in the SGMs)
2. **Disconnect and isolate the negative battery cable.
3. Keep the battery disconnected for a minimum of 15 minutes.
4. Reconnect the negative battery cable.**
5. Turn the ignition switch to the ON position, and try each of the four window switches to
confirm operation.
6. If all windows move, then proceed to the Module Identification procedure. If the lock-up
condition is still present on either side of the vehicle, or both, repeat steps 1 through 4,
lengthening the time to 30 minutes.
SGM Reprogramming
NOTE: Whenever a module is reprogrammed, the software in the DRBIIIŽ; must be
programmed with the latest revision level available.
NOTE: If this flash process is interrupted/aborted, the flash process should be
restarted and then follow the directions on the DRBIIIŽ.
08-035-05 -2-
1. Before beginning the flash procedure, remove any old flash files from the DRBIIIŽ
memory. To clear the memory from the MAIN MENU:
a. Simultaneously press the “MORE” and “YES” keys.
b. A screen will appear requesting a “COLD BOOT”.
c. Follow the on screen instructions by selecting the “F4” key.
d. When the DRBIIIŽ reboots to the MAIN MENU, proceed to Step #2.
NOTE: “Drivers Door” and “Passenger Door” in the DRBIIIŽ display refers to the
corresponding SGM's.
2. With the ignition switch in the “ON” position, determine the original part number of the
SGM currently in the vehicle. Using the DRBIIIŽ select:
a. "DRBIIIŽ Standalone"
b. "1998 - 2005 Diagnostics"
c. "All (Except Below)"
d. “Body Interior”
e. “Doors, Gate and Comfort”
f. “Drivers Door” and/or “Passenger”
g. “Module Display”
h. Record the “SGM part #” on the repair order for later reference.
3. Connect the DRBIIIŽ to TechCONNECT. Open TechTOOLS and verify that the
"DRBIIIŽ Status: Connected" message is in the upper right corner of the TechTOOLS
screen.
4. Enter the “SGM part #” recorded in step 2h in the “Parts Criteria” area and select
“Show Updates”. TechTOOLS will populate the appropriate flash file.
5. Select the flash file.
6. Select the “DRBIII” radio button which is next to the “Download/Update” button.
7. Select the “Download/Update” button.
8. Monitor the "Flash Download/Update Progress" window on the TechCONNECT and
follow the instructions on TechCONNECT. When the flash download/update process is
complete, proceed to step #9.
9. Disconnect the DRBIIIŽ from TechCONNECT.
10. Open the hood, install a battery charger and verify that the charging rate provides
approximately 13.5 volts.
11. Connect the DRBIIIŽ to the vehicle.
12. Download the flash file from the DRBIIIŽ to the vehicle. Using the DRBIIIŽ select:
a. “Vehicle Flash”
b. Follow the directions on the DRBIIIŽ screen. When the flash process is complete,
perform the SGM Calibration procedure below.
NOTE: Due to the SGM programming procedure, a DTC may be set in other modules
(TCM, BCM, MIC, SKIM, etc.) within the vehicle, if so equipped. Some DTC's
may cause the MIL to illuminate. Check all modules using “Module Scan”,
record the DTC's, and erase these DTC's prior to returning the vehicle to the
customer. Erase any DTC's in the PCM only after all other modules have had
their DTC's erased.
13. Turn the ignition switch to the ON position.
14. Confirm all window and power top functions.
15. Confirm no occurrence of new DTCs.
NOTE: If the SGM(s) would not accept the flash update, replace the window
regulator/SGM assembly(s).
-3- 08-035-05
Window Regulator/SGM Replacement
1. Replace both front window regulator/SMG assemblies following procedures outlined
on TechCONNECT.
2. Following the installation of the new regulator/SGM assemblies, perform the Smart
Glass Calibration procedure below.
3. Clear any SGM DTCs with the DRBIIIŽ.
4. Turn the ignition switch to the ON position.
5. Confirm all window and power top functions.
6. Confirm no occurrence of new DTCs.
SGM Calibration
After the replacing the regulator assemblies or reprogramming the SGMs, the modules
must be calibrated to "learn" the full up position. The calibration procedure must be
individually performed on the driver side and passenger side SGMs.
1. Turn the ignition switch to the ON position.
2. Hold the front window switch for the appropriate side in the UP position and stall the
window closed for 5 seconds. Release the switch.
3. Open the door by pulling internal door handle and hold the door handle in the open
position for 5 seconds. Release the handle.
4. Hold the same front window switch in the UP position to stall the window closed for 5
seconds. Release the switch.
5. Confirm that the window drops when the door is opened and returns to the full up
position when the door is closed.
6. Repeat steps 1-5 for the other side as necessary.
7. Set the clock to the correct time.
POLICY:
Reimbursable within the provisions of the warranty.


I would suggest to try opening the doors unhook the battery for like 2 hours then hook up the battery and see if that works. I don't think 15 minutes is long enough.

I helped another member use this method and he unhooked the battery for 2 hours and 20 minutes and it worked. The link is below.

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Old 17 Jun 2017, 10:49 am
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Thanks Steve, I've got the tsb as a pdf I downloaded long ago.
I have pretty thoroughly searched here looking for info on windows problems as the drivers window has ran in reverse since I bought the car but it was never a real problem just a slight inconvenience until it just quit going down.
As I stated all I was hoping to accomplish was lowering the window just a bit to prevent damage to the top or allowing water leakage from it being wedged out by the top lip.
I'm pretty sure the module needs replacement or reprogramming (big bucks to the dealer I don't have ATM )
I was hoping there was some way to do it without having to remove the whole dang window and mechanism.

Oh btw I left the battery disconnected about 12 hours overnight and no difference.
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