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Old 08 Jun 2011, 02:25 pm
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A friend wants me install a new system in his 2000 expedition. bone stock system now, has a sub cabinet with 2 12's (MTX I think). Looking for a new head unit, speakers (front & rear doors) and amp. he has $500 to spend. What would you suggest?

Thanks in advance.
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Awesome!

Working on it now....

2000 Expedition..
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Old 08 Jun 2011, 04:56 pm
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Do you know if he has the Bose System in the Car or not?
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Old 08 Jun 2011, 05:05 pm
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Ok regardless if it's a Mach system your replacing, or a non-Mach, both use 6x8 in the Front Door and Rear Pillaras

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1) Door and Rear Pillar Speakers.


Kenwood KFC-C6893PS
List Price:$99.99
Instant Savings:–$50.00
Checkout price:$49.99 per Pair. (get 2 pair)

On a tight budget, these offer Free Shipping.

Performance wise we want to match it up to a 75 RMS amp (x4)

These Kenwood KFC are 80 watts RMS (Cea certified)

Kenwood KFC-C6893PS 6" x 8" 3-way Car Speakers - Sonic Electronix

Total so far $49.99x2= $99.98 (400 left)


Here is the list I found these off of, and the reason I would go with these.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/viewc...rder=price_asc

Looking for 6x8 speakers, lowest to highest in Price, with 50-100 RMS.

The Kenwoods are my far the best bang for the dollar. They are 80 RMS. The next available one that comes close are:

Alpine SPS-507 , $67.99, not in stock though, and 75 RMS. the Kenwood KFC are in stock, and cheaper
Eclipse SP5710 But they are not as good quality; $69.99 a pair, and 75 RMS. The Kenwood KFC are 80 RMS>

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Old 08 Jun 2011, 05:18 pm
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So your speakers are 80 RMS each.

A 4 channel amp to match it would be 75 RMS x 4

(CEA certified. The Consumer Electronics Association evaluated amps to make sure they put out what they say they did. If you get a Non-CEA certified amp,it could say 1,000 x 4 watts, and just lie about it. I only recommend CEA certified amps)


I found you a steal!!!




Jensen Power 760

They must be on close out; perfect time to save $

JENSEN POWER760 4 Channel 760w Car Audio Amplifier Amp | eBay

Seller: vminnovations
$74.95
(FREE SHIPPING)
OR If you want to stay away from ebay, you can buy it from the Vminnovations Website:

JENSEN POWER760 760W 4-Channel Amplifier : $73.95 : VMInnovations.com

$73.95
Power Series 4-Channel Class AB Car Amplifier
RMS Power Rating:
4 ohms: 75 watts x 4 chan
2 ohms: 100 watts x 4 chan
Bridged, 4 ohms: 190 watts x 2 chan
Max power output: 380 watts x 2 chan.
MOSFET power supply
Design Minimizes Distortion and Reduces Idle Current
High Current Bi-Polar Output Transistors
LED power, standby, and fault indicators
Pass-Thru RCAs
4/3/2 operation
Preamp RCA outputs
Short Circuit, DC-offset and Thermal Overload Protection Circuitry
Variable high-pass filter (40-300 Hz)
Variable low-pass filter (40-300 Hz)
CEA-2006 compliant amplifier


*I bought from VM before, I like their website because you can Call someone, and they pick up the phone; makes me feel comfortable. I bought from them before with no issues..

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Total including shipping so far

Speakers
$50
$50
4 Channel amp
$75

Total $175 ($500 budget; 325 left for a head unit and installation kits, mono amp)

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Old 08 Jun 2011, 05:42 pm
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The Mono amp is kinda of hard to pick out with out knowing the exact model of the MTX 12" 's.

MTX makes several lines of subwoofers. Their entry level subwoofers are 200 RMS each, and they make subwoofers up to 1,000 RMS each.

I will pick out an amp for their entry level ones (200 RMS each; 400 RMS total) and their mid level ones (300 RMS each, 600 total)

*Find out what models they are for me; just curious.

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*Finally, we will make sure to wire the subwoofers to 2 ohms to get you the best bang for the dollar.

MB Quart FX1400
400W Monoblock Amplifier

MB Quart FX1400 600W Monoblock Amplifier : $98.95 : VMInnovations.com

$98.95

Brand New MB Quart Formula Series 400 Watt MONO A/B Car Amplifier
RMS Power Rating:
200 Watt x 1 Channel @ 4 Ohm
400 Watt x 1 Channel @ 2 Ohm
MB Quart as they are designed to provide maximum output at 2-Ohms instead of the standard 1-Ohm from most mono amps. MB Quart FX1.400 RMS power and CEA compliant.


*See when you wire to 2 ohms, you get twice the RMS wattage. We can go over subwoofer wiring guides later; but this is standard for all amps and subwoofers, so no worries.

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Option 2 if the subwoofers are 300 RMS each


Audiopipe APSM-1300

Audiopipe APSM-1300 2000W Mono Mini Amplifier : APSM1300 : $112.95 : VMInnovations.com
Audiopipe APSM-1300 | eBay


BRAND NEW AUDIOPIPE 2000 WATT MONO Car MINI Amplifier
RMS Power:
300 Watt x 1 Channel @ 4 Ohm
600 Watt x 1 Channel @ 2 Ohm

$112.


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Or if you need 700 RMS

CAR MONO AUDIOPIPE AP-10001D CLASS D 1000 W AMPLIFIER | eBay

$130




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Total
Speakers
$50
$50
4 channel amp
$75
Mono amp
$100-$112.

Total: $275-$287 ($225 approx Left from a $500 budget for head unit; and amp kits)

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Old 08 Jun 2011, 06:01 pm
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When looking for a head unit on a budget; there are certain things not to compromise on.

6 pre outs. (so you can hook up your 4 channel amp; and your Mono amp)

4 volt Pre outs (volts = quality. 4 volts is the best, avoid 2 volt pre outs)

Cea Certified

5 band or better Equalizer.

Equalizers allow you to control your music. You can adjust your Bass, Mid bass, low Mids, High Mids, and Highs.

Never go with a 2 band eq where it's just Bass/Treble or even a 3 band where it's only bass/mid/high.

A 5 band EQ allows you to Tune your music properly. 5 or better.


Options:
Sat Radio Ready
USB and 3.5 mm Jack (to play Mp3's and Ipods)
CD player (some people still use CD's and MP3 CD's)



I like this one:
Pioneer DEH-P8300UB



Pioneer DEH-P8300UB CD receiver at Crutchfield.com
$169 (free dash kit, free wire harness, free shipping)


Pioneer DEH-P8300UB (DEHP8300UB) CD/MP3 Car Stereo iPod USB & Aux
$179 (free dash kit, free wire harness, free shipping)


Or buy it for $150 and get the dash kit and wire harness separate. I personally would get the one from Crutchfield
Pioneer DEH-P8300UB 50Wx4 InDash CD Player, iPod/iPhone | eBay

PIONEER DEH-P8300UB C/MP3/USB/IPOD/IPHONE/PANDORA * NEW | eBay

I like the one from Sonic electronics because it includes the Harness and Dash kit for your car in the price.

$179 (free shipping, free dash kit $15 value, free wire harness $10 value)


You can also buy the Head unit for $150 and get the Dash kit and wire harness separate.

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Totals:
Speakers
$50
$50
4 channel amp
$75
Mono Amp
$100
Head Unit
169.99

$445
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Old 08 Jun 2011, 06:16 pm
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Now we have $55 left for 2 amp kits.

You don't want to get something to cheap. I will see what I can find on that budget.

I would look for a "Dual amp Kit"

*It would give you enough wire to ground 2 amps; a distribution block to split the main wire up to both amps, and will have a slightly smaller wire for the second amp (ideal set up)


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Stinger SPK5645R or The InstallBay AK01

The InstallBay AK01
$69


The Install Bay AK01 0 Gauge Dual Amplifier Installation Kit

Package Includes:
everything needed to properly install two car audio amplifiers. Includes power cable, distribution block, fuse holder, audio interconnect, speaker wire and all necessary hardware.
17 ft. of 0 gauge Blue power cable with 3/8" ring terminal
8 ft. of 4 gauge Blue power cable
6 ft. of 4 gauge Black ground cable
2 sets of 17 ft. Clear/blue RCA cables
15 ft. of Speaker wire
20 ft. of Remote turn-on wire
ANL fuse holder with 250 Amp fuse
ANL fuse power distribution block with two 100 amp fuses
Battery terminal
Power distribution block
Installation hardware


*he would need to get 1 extra RCA cable; but they are cheap
StreetWires ZN1250 ZN1 Series 2-Channel Interconnect Cable


$69
plus
StreetWires ZN1250 ZN1 Series 2-Channel Interconnect Cable
$3


$445 + 69 + 3 =

$517


*I don't work for anyone, so I am giving you the best possible advice with no motive besides help you out. Best buy Corporate set's it's prices with the Manufactures, so they basically sell it for MSPR which is usually 200% more than retail. Car audio shops can be shady, and will over charge you too. I did a little shoppping around for you, and tried to limit to to 2-3 places to buy everything. Buy it from ebay or anyone else you want, but I put what I would do. I did look for the best prices too... You are buying from 3 places Sonic/VM and Crutchfeild. You can limit it to 2 places, but the head unit would be $10 more from sonic. By the way, thanks for the EQ. It came today. Super happy brotha!

If you go into best buy; you can spend $500 on just a head unit and door/rear speakers, and not get as good quality as we did today; not to mention we got EVERYTHING YOU NEED; the head unit/ door/rear speakers, 4 channel amp; momo amp; Dash kit; Wire harness; dual amp kit and additional RCA cable. You will not need even 1 addition thing for the entire install!!!! We came out $17 above your budget, hope that isn't a problem




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I saw the Ebay note. It was selling for $177

Alpine 3330 Classic EQ equalizer remote-type old school | eBay

The Alpine 3330 EQ is some bad ass stuff. I will def put it to good use. I love old school EQ's. I really really appreciate it!

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Old 08 Jun 2011, 07:30 pm
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I talked with Ford; and the whole in the front and rear are a 6x8 hole.

Crutchfield and both Sonic say you 'can' put a 6.5" round speakers in the spot as well; but that won't fill the whole up completely.

It's an oval hole; and you could put a round speaker in it; and be left with un used space.

If the model uses the Mach system, that is a horrible idea. Good thing I recommended the 6x8 speakers.

The Mach puts each speaker in an enclosure. It's air tight, so it supports better sound for the speakers.

Using a round speaker will lose the enclosures purpose.

So using the 6x8" speaker is the best way to go for the front and rear speakers for sure, regardless of weather it's the Mach system or not. Either way, the the 6x8 will fill the hole completely.





1) Door and Rear Pillar Speakers.


Kenwood KFC-C6893PS
List Price:$99.99
Instant Savings:–$50.00
Checkout price:$49.99 per Pair. (get 2 pair)

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Old 09 Jun 2011, 12:14 pm
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Serg-

Checked with my buddy, the subs are entry level fosgate's wired to 2 ohms, sorry thought they were MTX. Thanks for taking the time to put something together for him. Going to jump on the net tonight and place the orders. I normally would only install my own systems but he's a good friend and there are no (real) installers within 150 mile radius of where we live.

Glad the EQ made it safe and sound! yea, I almost s**t a brick when I saw what one went for on ebay . That one has been in my storage for years, Who Knew??!! No biggie, glad it went to someone who will put it to good use and who appreciates it. Let me know when you get it hooked up!

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