Stage 1 joke

[Gary04GT]

quote:Originally posted by Cal Cruzer

What is up with Joe anyhow? He never has any constructive input, just wants to rag on people, and his information is usually wrong. If he really wants people to listen to what he has to say he needs to change his style...

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[SuGamer]

quote:Originally posted by JoePro

First off, Stage 1 for 2004 is IN the 2005. Period. In other wortds you CANNOT adds stage 1 to a 2005 car. Not unless you take out the existing code, and injectors, throw them away, and put the same ones back in.

There are no 2005 Stage 1s.

Good grief.

As far as the transmission, you could fool around with the software, or you could put a real valve body in the car.

As far as power, the 2004 Stage 1 almost gets to a stock 2005 curve on 97.

I don't know where that one guy lives, but we have 104 octane here for super test. 97 octane is a mid-grade. I would recommend moving closer to civilization I guess.

Cheers guys.

Joe

Sorry Joe, I don't know where you are getting your info at, but it's wrong. Info from "the inside" has been passed to me as the fact that Stage 1 programming is NOT in the 2005's PCM. Yes, the 05 is 230hp rather than the reported 220 because of the new plastic manifold and programming to take advantage of it. I have owned both a Stage 1 '04 PTGT and now a stock '05 PTGT and I can tell you that while the '05 definately is faster and more powerful than the '04 when it was stock, it is not faster than the '04 with Stage 1. It's close, but not equal. Unless you have hacked into both a '04 and a '05 PCM and have compared the two, you shouldn't claim the 05's have Stage 1 in them already because it is false. My '04 Stage 1 PTGT used to do rolling burnouts at 30mph when it's only power mod was Stage 1. My stock '05 PTGT can't do that. Also Stage 1 for the 05's is not dead just on hold because the engineer working on it was "let go".

[flashbk2]

Hey Joe Pro if you know so much , then you should realize the "cheesy" intake was only intake available for GT until early this year . It's not like any of us had a choice till a few months ago....

[JoePro]

Nope. My 2001 had the plastic manifold as well.

If you guys really want to learn about PT's, I can help, but you have to actually pay attention.

Contrary to belief on this forum anyway, the plastic manifold has been on cars since the first year. It is not a "new idea" for 2005.

Read the post on on modesty cover here:

http://www.ptdoityourself.net/modelchange.html

Wrong again on the "not faster than 2004 with stage 1".

You might want to dyno at some time, I can send you links on what a dyno is, how it works, and just how it will show you that Stage 1 on a 2004 will still fall sadly short of a factory 05 on 97 octane.

But then, you already knew that. I am only validating for you.

Checked the dealer sheets. No 2005 2.4 HOs were produced that had aluminum manifolds. I would have a talk with your dealer and find out why DC may have put a 2004 engine in your 2005 car.

I am betting there was a batch of them if early enough in the year. Someone had to pay a 10 hp price and get 10 hp less, I guess. Probably a few people.

Those silly Mexican technicians :&gt

[SuGamer]

quote:Originally posted by JoePro

Nope. Was only available in US maybe. My 2001 had the plastic manifold as well.

Buck up guys. If I wanted whining and gossip, I'd be on the bingo forums.

Sorry dude, but your 2001 was a n/a PT. ALL n/a PT's have a plastic manifold, but it's not the same as the 2005's Turbo's manifold. The 2003, 2004 and 2005 vert turbos had the aluminum intake manifold. I've had a 2001 Limited, a 2004 PTGT, and now a 2005 PTGT so I above you know this for sure. Sorry dude, I guess you gotta take what you give; better learn more about the different PT's and year to year variations before you start to post and put others down for what they know, and you really assume at.

[JoePro]

Thanks, genius, for pointing out the 2001 was a n/a car. Man, you are really on the ball. I guess otherwise I could have had a very rare car.

Try not to state the glaringly obvious, ok?

There is 1 , count them ONE part# for plastic manifolds for the 2.4.
So, you are wrong again.

Shall I go back to work and prove that too?

When is the little light going to come on?

[SuGamer]

quote:Originally posted by JoePro

Nope. My 2001 had the plastic manifold as well.

If you guys really want to learn about PT's, I can help, but you have to actually pay attention.

Contrary to belief on this forum anyway, the plastic manifold has been on cars since the first year. It is not a "new idea" for 2005.

Read the post on on modesty cover here:

http://www.ptdoityourself.net/modelchange.html

Wrong again on the "not faster than 2004 with stage 1".

You might want to dyno at some time, I can send you links on what a dyno is, how it works, and just how it will show you that Stage 1 on a 2004 will still fall sadly short of a factory 05 on 97 octane.

But then, you already knew that. I am only validating for you.

Checked the dealer sheets. No 2005 2.4 HOs were produced that had aluminum manifolds. I would have a talk with your dealer and find out why DC may have put a 2004 engine in your 2005 car.

I am betting there was a batch of them if early enough in the year. Someone had to pay a 10 hp price and get 10 hp less, I guess. Probably a few people.

Those silly Mexican technicians :&gt

Damn! Stop with the editing posts! You are wrong! Sorry! The 2005 Verts were really based on the 2004's and yes they did have an aluminum intake! And sorry, that's BS about the Stage 1 on 2005's. I've had a Stage 1 '04 PTGT for close to a year and I can tell the difference with the new '05! Close, but not exact! Don't tell me about dyno's and crap; I've been turning wrenches for 21 years and I'm only 33! I've used dyno's before all these "tuners" out there even knew what the hell a dyno was. And by the way, you the heck pumps 97 on a regular basis? You can't just drive to the local BP and pump it, so it's ridiculous to dyno on it.

Sorry dude. Do some more research before you post.

[SuGamer]

quote:Originally posted by JoePro

Thanks, genius, for pointing out the 2001 was a n/a car. Man, you are really on the ball. I guess otherwise I could have had a very rare car.

Try not to state the glaringly obvious, ok?

There is 1 , count them ONE part# for plastic manifolds for the 2.4.
So, you are wrong again.

Shall I go back to work and prove that too?

When is the little light going to come on?

Sorry, but now you're pissing me off. I've had both a 2001 n/a and a 2005 PTGT, and IT IS NOT THE SAME DAMN MANIFOLD! Jeez dude, talk what you know and back off! You are wrong, and if you keep up, I'll have to call Tommy and get the right part #'s for you to prove it!

[flashbk2]

Joe Pro please re-read my unedited post I specifically stated not available for GT . I know the 01's had composite owned 2 of them . I also know that @ least the upper intake has to be a unique pn as the "modesty cover" mounts different on the na opposed to the '05. Quite possibly the lower could be the same for both however. Topless is not the only one with the old turbo intake on an '05 I seen more than 1 that has the aluminum . Maybe you should stick to racing .....

[SuGamer]

quote:Originally posted by JoePro

When is the little light going to come on?

By the way, I was thinking the exact same thing about you. When you get to own, drive and modify a n/a PT, a Stage 1 '04 PTGT, AND a '05 PTGT, then you can let me know. Until then, you are just relying on false and misleading information rather than experience. Sorry Joe, Flashback2 (who I personally know) and I have had experiences with PT's that you haven't, and if you think my '05 is faster than his Stage 1 '03, then you are sadly mistaken. Take a ride in his car and you'll be holding on for dear life.