Stage 1 joke

[13secPTCruiser]

quote:Originally posted by JoePro

Thanks, genius, for pointing out the 2001 was a n/a car. Man, you are really on the ball. I guess otherwise I could have had a very rare car.

Try not to state the glaringly obvious, ok?

There is 1 , count them ONE part# for plastic manifolds for the 2.4.
So, you are wrong again.

Shall I go back to work and prove that too?

When is the little light going to come on?

please joe, please...



you clearly know NOTHING about what you are talking about. yes, you made a point about how the CAI in that gt was actually not a CAI ... that is the only legitamate thing you said and guess what.. everyone knew it already.

and about the plastic intakes being old ideas... you are right, no one is saying they are new ideas.

if you opened your face, you could see that the 2003 and 2004 GT's both have metal intakes, the 2005's came out with the better plastic one, therefor it being new for the GT... maybe you got confused.

and as for you saying stage 1 is usless? stage 1 is a vital part of increasing power, not only does it ADD MORE BOOST, it makes the shift points better, gets rid of the 'burp' in the exhaust on WOT, it even gets rid of certain pesky engine codes ( over boost and cat sensor) it also doesnt pull power when it senses over boosting.

oh, and as for 97 be your supreme, you are an asshat. every place has 87, 89, then 91 - 93
ofcourse some places have higher, but the majority is what was just stated.

please, PLEASE, talk to someone who knows about the car, or maybe you should own one before to BEGIN telling us how to do things.

quit chumming.

[Cal Cruzer]

Joe, please educate yourself before posting. You really make yourself look ignorant before this forum with these ridiculous posts...or just get a life. Apparently you don't even own the car you are trying to inform us on and have not taken the time to learn about it.

[Ian-PT-GT]

JoePro

You must be one hell of a tuner if you can increase HP with just 97 Octane fuel!!! If that is true, I will fill my PT with AVGas and have even more power!

The PCM fuel maps for the turbo PT are calibrated to 91 Octane... S2 for the SRT-4 has the calibrations for fuel over 100 Octane.

I guess you know all that is happening inside the PCM.

I just remembered, DC don't want to publish the programing codes to unlock the engine.
You must be connected to someone inside DC and is geting you all that data.

[8D]

Ian

[skripo]

Joepro is anything but, he has no idea what he is talking about!!!

There are 3 distinct intakes known to the PT world.

1) The plastic one on N/A's
2) The Aluminum intake on 2003 - mid year 2005 GTs
3) The new AND COMPLETELY different plastic one on the 2005 1/2's on.

The new plastic intake is a new design with different plastic, an airfoil for more even flow, and a modified runner length for a flatter power band.

Also the Stage 1 is STILL being worked on for 2005 but will probably never see the light of day. Stage 1 also leans out the mix.

[Ian-PT-GT]

BTW,

You are correct, the S-1 PCM is inside the 05 model... it is also inside the 04 model... but without the programing. also it is inside the 04 and 05 Turbolite models but those cars produce 180HP. The reason, Software.

I guess you also know that the S1 injectors are in all those models excluding the 03.
The reason is that the first turbo engines came with Denso injectors flowing about 440CFMs their pulse-width is lower than the newer Bosch injectors that flow about 530 CFMs. .

The factory PCM adjust the Dutty cycle to in conjunction with the MAP, TIP, Knock, O2 and IAT sensors among others.

Modern day HP is a lot more than higher octane and more boost.

But then again, I may be wrong...

Ian

[Truth]

quote:Originally posted by JoePro

You might want to dyno at some time, I can send you links on what a dyno is, how it works, and just how it will show you that Stage 1 on a 2004 will still fall sadly short of a factory 05 on 97 octane.

Joe you are an idiot....post your links post your hard data. Bring it bitch......You want to talk drag times dyno times what????? You post this outrageous garbage with no factual basis claming to be some sort of tunning rainman....My guess is you are a troll from another site who is lonely and looking for attention.

[Truth]

quote:Originally posted by JoePro

This car is actually beathing underhood air, which is roughly 25 degrees hotter than external mass air, through a filter that I am guessing was supposed to reduce restrictions and improve performance.

And what is up with the cheesy low-performance intake manifold? Why bother with an aftermarket air filter when you have a Briggs & Stratton intake manifold? The real one (2005 Turbo HO) is non-metallic, and actually BREATHES.

So, at WOT, he has maybe ...MAYBE reduced restriction by 2 or 3 % ( this is a turbo car- 12 pounds boost is 12 pounds of boost whether the air filter is restrictive (which it was not) or not.

To get that 3% gain, he accepts a 15 to 20% loss AACROSS THE ENTIRE OPERATING RANGE for the lost mass, heat-soaked under-hood air he is feeding the engine.

I am betting there is a picture with neon lights on the car underside too is there?

Lets at least use a little common physics here, shall we?

Cheers guys,

Joe

Where do your numbers come from.....Dynos please or drag times....

lets see if my joemath is any good....
3% x7.65% - 12 * 17.635279 of yea plus the flow of a=b squared equals the inverse tangent of the orthagonal normal line of the hp curve when the rpm's equal 2000-2100 but we must consider agian there is a 6.768% correction factor based on temp drag roll and other bull.

When you add up all this and joes numbers you get= one big pile of bull $hit


But thanks for the great post joe

[12secondPT]

he has no idea what the hell he is talking about. his name is Ron Davies, and he is a tard. http://www.replicar.ca/kitcar/index.html trust me it take more then a mbc and 94 gas to go fast. stupid canuck (sorry to other non-retarded canidians). the new intake is just that new. for the turbo's the n/a has had one but it is different i cna post pics if you would like. you need s1 to go fast ask flash he had the mbc for a long time then he got s1 loves it now he has a power paq and is really fast. he needed the s1 to go the power paq route.

[skripo]

If you are an intellectually challenged person please do not send me moronic emails criticizing me. First ask for an explanation, or better yet do your homework.

I received the email below from somebody with the nick realtuner@replicar.ca. He is the same person posing as JoePro here and seeks to hide his identity. Someone on another forum found him out:

"His real name is Ron Davies and he must be smoking crack.

http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/forum/...TOPIC_ID=13054
http://www.replicar.ca/kitcar/index.html

He has several know-it-all posts and is really just talking out his ass."

I cross matched the results and there is no member "realtuner" on that 21 member forum. Only the admin can use the domain name replicar.ca. He also had a 2001 N/A PT.

What a freakin coward and a stupid one too. Ever hear of Hotmail? The litany of stupidity is too much to bear.


Full text of the email:

"What the heck is this? Have you NEVER worked ona car before? Do you know abosolutely NOTHING about closed loop EFI?

"Reducing intake restrictions effectively changes the fuel mixture by increasing the air in the fuel charge. The new air to fuel ratio (AFR) will produce a denser fuel energy charge that will explode with greater force and thus produce more energy."

What a load of crap. The oxy sensor detects changes in the exhaust 100s of times every second, and counteracts ANY richening/leaning in the map.

Good grief, you should not be dispensing tuning tips to anyone!"

My Response:

"You can always tell a persons intellect level by the quality of their communications.

You obviously understand nothing about tuning. A car runs under closed loop while in idle and cruising. The moment you hit WOT, the car goes into open loop because the narrow band o2 sensor is basically a 3 position switch. The car dumps fuel and runs rich to keep the temps down.

If you had the proper instrumentation you would see this yourself. Better yet get the service manual where it says:

ACCELERATION MODE
This is a CLOSED LOOP mode. The PCM recognizes an abrupt increase in Throttle Position sensor output voltage or MAP sensor output voltage as a demand for increased engine output and vehicle acceleration. The PCM increases injector pulse width in response to increased fuel demand.
² Wide Open Throttle-open loop

DECELERATION MODE
This is a CLOSED LOOP mode. During deceleration the following inputs are received by the PCM:
² A/C status
² Battery voltage
² Inlet/Intake air temperature
² Engine coolant temperature
² Crankshaft position (engine speed)
² Exhaust gas oxygen content (upstream heated oxygen sensor) ² Knock sensor ² Manifold absolute pressure ² Throttle position sensor ² IAC motor (solenoid) control changes in response to MAP sensor feedback The PCM may receive a closed throttle input from the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) when it senses an abrupt decrease in manifold pressure. This indicates a hard deceleration (Open Loop). In response, the PCM may momentarily turn off the injectors. This helps improve fuel economy, emissions and engine braking.

WIDE-OPEN-THROTTLE MODE
This is an OPEN LOOP mode. During wide-openthrottle operation, the following inputs are used by the PCM:
² Inlet/Intake air temperature
² Engine coolant temperature
² Engine speed
² Knock sensor
² Manifold absolute pressure
² Throttle position
When the PCM senses a wide-open-throttle condition through the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) it deenergizes the A/C compressor clutch relay. This disables the air conditioning system and disables EGR (if equipped).
The PCM adjusts injector pulse width to supply a predetermined amount of additional fuel, based on MAP and RPM.

This is where a piggy back computer and wideband O2 is used to tune.

Now don’t bother me again. I don’t have the time to educate you."

[SR-PT4]

JoePro, have you actually looked at the plastic intake on the N/A engine and compared it to the plastic intake on the '05 Turbos? I thought not, so here's a little side by side to help you out.

They are NOT the same piece, regardless of what you may think. Take a close look now and you'll notice:

1. the lack of horizontal ribbing on the N/A intake
2. the "box" shaped section on the N/A intake that steps down to the runners, and the fact that this is not present on the Turbo intake
3. the "diverter" hole in the Turbo intake which provides more uniform airflow to all cylinders, which is not present on the N/A intake.

Yes, both intakes are black and plastic, but that's where the similarities end. If you struggle to differentiate between these two, how do you arrive at a distinction between any other two points when discussing the PT Cruiser?

Plastic Turbo Intake


Plastic N/A Intake


A little word of advice, unsolicited though it may be: Stop being such a condescending prick. You do NOT know everything, which I'm sure comes as a huge surprise to you. Sorry.