Stage one or not to Stage one

[Sturdevant]

Do we know the Stage 1 equipped GT is not compliant? Is it a question of emmisions or modifications?

[Dalite]

From what we have seen, it is not CARB approved, illegal for sale in California, not for Street Use, subject to $27,500 fine if caught using on for street use, designed for competition only, but voids warranty if used for competition, etc. If there is a single example of paradox that is not included in the Mopar warranty, let me know....

Don't take my word for this; read for yourself:
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[ZZCruzr]

Kirby...if we had local dragstrip dealerships here in North Carolina - I'd be a customer! Seriously, I know California has stringent laws on emissions. I still can't believe the enforcement part though...look at the stuff that is on four wheels in California! Somehow I can't believe all those "street rods", Italian sports cars and bad *ss custom machines are anything like "street legal"! What - you all tear em down and make them Sunday go to meetin' vehicles before they are sold!?! Must be a hell of a lot of cheap high performance used parts for sale!
As to the Stage 1...Mopar clearly states "for off road use..." and all the other legalese to tell you that they're not responsible for nothin'. When and if my dealership's DM puts the warranty thing in writing, like he promises me, I'll find out if they are going to pass me for emissions test with it on. (See Kirby, North Carolina DOES have some rules!) It would be a bear if I get the warranty thing satisified in my head, only to fail the stupid emmisions test!

[Kirby]

The laws and rules of this great nation could not be more jumbled than here in California. Those fines and warnings are real! If a smog tester is caught not turning you in, they themselves are in violation that could be jail time and huge fines(it is essentially fraud against the state, since they are registered state entities). The state of California takes it's smog laws very seriously!

Kit cars custom cars, and cars built after 1974 (30 years old) do not have to have smog gear and are subject to some rediculously flexible rules.

I hope that we are able to have our Stage 1 get togeather soon, we can, at that time get an off line / non registered test (billed as a re-test internally), to see how things go with the nations most sensitive sniffers. I don't think you have to pass ANY test on nitrogen oxide in North Carolina(a killer for high compression and high combustion temp cars).

[Sturdevant]

We have emissioms testing here also, your car is subject to inspection. I failed for a loose vacuum hose once.

However, eventually it comes down to the numbers, which shouldn't be a problem, they don't do NOX and it's done at 30 MPH.

[macster]

quote:Originally posted by Kirby

The laws and rules of this great nation could not be more jumbled than here in California. Those fines and warnings are real! If a smog tester is caught not turning you in, they themselves are in violation that could be jail time and huge fines(it is essentially fraud against the state, since they are registered state entities). The state of California takes it's smog laws very seriously!

Kit cars custom cars, and cars built after 1974 (30 years old) do not have to have smog gear and are subject to some rediculously flexible rules.

I hope that we are able to have our Stage 1 get togeather soon, we can, at that time get an off line / non registered test (billed as a re-test internally), to see how things go with the nations most sensitive sniffers. I don't think you have to pass ANY test on nitrogen oxide in North Carolina(a killer for high compression and high combustion temp cars).

My approach will be as follows:
I am going to have it installed for me and then it will be smog checked (off-line of course) to see what and if there are any problems. The next step will be dependent on what problems arise and if they can be rectified in a cost effective manner. If I can't make it meet the smog requirements then it will be put back in the stock configuration.
[8D]

macster

[Kirby]

You are right, I am somewhat aprehensive about the install at the speed shop.

What if:

a)The new PCM does what the first SRT-4 PCMs did? (SHUT THE CAR DOWN)

b)The old PCM then fails to re-ignite the car? (TOWING FOR HOW MANY MILES?)

c)Worse, we install, the car runs for the test, and dies ON THE FREEWAY HOME!!!!

CATCH IT AND KEEP IT (on your own)CAN BE DANGEROUS!!

[macster]

quote:Originally posted by Kirby

You are right, I am somewhat aprehensive about the install at the speed shop.

What if:

a)The new PCM does what the first SRT-4 PCMs did? (SHUT THE CAR DOWN)

Put the old back one in.

b)The old PCM then fails to re-ignite the car? (TOWING FOR HOW MANY MILES?)

It will be an awww &%^&, but AAA towing is good for the first 50 miles, and the dealer is only 10 miles away. Plus the speed shop ower has a 700 hp 6 speed BMW. My point? He is a damn good mechanic. If he can't fix it then it is %^&*. Additionally, the PT is my weekend only car. So I won't get all in a pinch. Plus, you gotta do what you gotta do. Re:"re-ignite" it better not! It should help to start my engine, but not "re-ignite" it. Its not a jet. :-)


c)Worse, we install, the car runs for the test, and dies ON THE FREEWAY HOME!!!!

I'll just deal with it, but my speed shop dealer will be driving to the smog test and then back to the shop. He has a lot riding on this as it will good publicity (sp) for him.

CATCH IT AND KEEP IT (on your own)CAN BE DANGEROUS!!

Hell driving on these Calif freeways "IS" dangerous. But I'll do the best that I can. I will probably wait to see how the installs are going before "I" do this.

Cheers

macster

[Kirby]

Sound like you've got it going!! I just didn't want our fun to be your misery!!

[macster]

quote:Originally posted by Kirby

Sound like you've got it going!! I just didn't want our fun to be your misery!!

I think we are talking about two different things. I want to help with Rice killing's install. But I am going to do mine a different way and the reason for that is that I can coordinate things to happen to happen sequenially and get everything done in about a day. So thats why I came up with this idea. I just want to get every thing done at as soon as possible and my friend can make it happen. I'm looking on it as a learning experience plus it will be fun, he lowered my car, installed the springs, eagle 192 rims, tires, stereo, stealth sub, six speakers, burglar alarm, and shocks. He wants to do change my exhaust system which ain't gonna happen, I knew that the whole idea behind stage one et al was that those parts are expected to be installed on a stock vehicle. So I'll let him do the stage one and work his magic there.

macster