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Old 11 Dec 2003, 02:38 am
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Has anybody tried the Crane Cams Turbo cams with any of the Stage Kits (1 or 2)? Is there any information out about the cams interraction with the new PCM's?[:I]
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good question, didn't even know these were out....
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My friend Gary on the SRT forums did a cam install using the 1st gen neon cam upgrade. From what I hear its badass. Had to twerk a few things but later when I have more time Ill try finding the thread over there
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I am not sure how much cam is needed to make more hp in our turbo motors BUT dont even talk about warranty when you play with cams guys!! Cams usually mean springs too!! From my Mustang days if you put enough cam in your car your idle will be effected!!
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Cams are fun, but from a $/hp point of view they're losers in a turbo car. And idle is a big headache. Usually they are more expensive than a bigger turbo (counting the install time).
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Cams are fun, but from a $/hp point of view they're losers in a turbo car. And idle is a big headache. Usually they are more expensive than a bigger turbo (counting the install time).
Agreed. The SRT cam install eventually took 9 hours (this was a first time ever thing tho, so there were some trial and error things).

I would even try to do it on the PT w/o dropping the engine!
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I would have to agree with 3Bar on this one....Cams aren't AS important with a blown engine...as with a N/A one.
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This thread is really interesting. Having changed cams in my Chrysler big blocks many times I can assure you that cams make as much difference as anything else you can do.

You guys don't really think that the car has the same cam as the regularly aspirated engine do you? If it did it would be a tremendus suprise, and complete dissapointment to me.

After all, an engine is just an air pump spurred on with fuel. When you make the pump more efficient, you make more HP regardless of whether it's naturally aspirated or not. Setting up a dual cam engine is no walk in the park, heck, it was hard enough with a single cam motor but the results were always spectacular once the job was done.

Of course idle is affected. When you change lift, duration, timing and overlap things are going to be a lot different. The change in driveability comes with just how radical a cam profile you use. I had a dual profile in my 69 Road Runner that was way too big and the darn thing wouldn't idle below 1650. But, when you hit the go button you really had to hang on. And really, isn't that what some of us are looking for?

I hope sakigt can find the SRT thread. It would be really interesting to see what's up. Anybody have a "friend" at crane for some other insight? How about at Chrysler?
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Cams can be helpful, but with the 2.4 rev-limited so low, it kinda defeats the purpose. If you were opening up the powerband to 7K or 7500, I imagine those cams would make a much more noticeable difference. I know lots of people who have done it on their DSMs and they love it.
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I wasn't implying that cams aren't a source of power. However, we did look at a zillion different cams and found the cams used in the base naturally-aspirated engine worked as well overall as anything else we tried. So that is what went into production. If we were interested in ultimate power, cams would be on the list - just like porting the head, oversize valves, new rods and pistons, etc.

However, if you were interested in uprating your engine - it would be the fourth or fifth major thing to do, not the first. First would be more fuel capacity (pump & injectors), second would be a big turbo, third would be an uprated intercooler, fourth would be lower (or higher) compression pistons (depending on use of race gas) and stronger rods, then I would consider big lift and duration cams with associated lighter springs, retainers and valves. And no, I didn't list exhaust - because if you don't do that you're a poser.

At least that is the way I would do it (and effectively what Mopar is doing).
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