Stage 2 Delay

[Mean Green]

This was on the SRT 4 forums and sounds like what 3Bar was talking about the shortage of parts from vendors. I think this is why our Stage 2 kit is down the road a bit.


"Here are some more Stage 2 details...BTW none of those people that bought it are cheap...I'm cheap I can't buy it for quite a while.

I spoke with a really friendly lady that is the marketing agent for Stage 2 and 3. We spoke at length about the vendors mopar put togther to get this kit out. What was holding up the kit was not more research, it was cost.

Mopar is losing beaucoup bucks selling this kit, but they were nervous about alienating there "fanbase" so they bit the bullet and decided to release it to the public. They are currently negotiating with other vendors to deal with beyond this initial "1st printing" (yes I used to be a comic book geek). Right now she DID tell me this, they have enough parts to put together only 500 kits. Until they negotiate with other vendors that will be it. She did not know when they would be settling their talks with the other vendors.

My speculation is this, if the 1st 500 sell quick enough the rest of us might have to wait for more kits...so you'd better get in line. The person that said that price was a Nats' only price may or may not be correct. Call Bob Woodhouse and see if you can still get it at the 1410 price.

I also asked there marketing lady about the Neon replacement in 06 and apparently she's under some kind of non-disclosure thing about it, but she did say that we most likely will NOT like it. That was all I could get out of her."

[hyracer]

If they only have enough to produce 500 kits...then they should break out 100 of those kits and program them for our GT's. I'm guessing 100 GT S2 kits would just about satisfy those of us who are interested at this time. If memory serves me correct they didn't sell much more than a couple 100 of the S1 kits for our cruisers anyway...

Deen

[Kirby]

If you believe that story, I have a bridge to sell you![:X]

Stop me when I sound totally off base:

1) If they have run out of PCMs then all 2.4 turbos cannot be produced.

2) I am having a hard time believing that a major manifacturer cannot find a fuel injector.

3) Two increased pressure sensing devices are not $1000 in price.

4) One added piece to the turbo presure management system on a current turbo cannot be the linchpin!

5) If they are holding up the S2 kit because of the toys.... they are a lot less intelegent than I originally supposed. Most S2 buyers would like to buy the raw HP and make their own water sprayer anyway and keep the cost within reason. (When you approach 10% of the cost of the original vehicle you will not find many buyers)

This looks more like the keystone cops issue that once was proposed than ever before.....remember, they had a mandate to put this kit togeather well over a year ago, and they have done their level best to frustrate the aftermarket so they(DC) would be the sole source for go fast goodies.

[:I]Maybe Daimler is looking at outsourcing the performance division, since they, and others, are putting the jobs in the orient, might as well put the speed parts where people with jobs can buy them![:I]

[3BarBoost]

See, this is why we don't say anything until the full story is out there. Somebody, actually several somebodies will take a little bit of info and run with it.

TurboG was talking strictly about the Turbo Toys version (which is all the SRT owners at the nats knew about). This is the version that is being built in limited lots until vendor negotiations are done. We don't talk about negotiations unless we absolutely have to. And trust me, this has nothing to do with the PCMs.

Finally, the GT and SRT use the largest high impedance injectors currently manufactured in the world - by some 20%. It is new technology to get low emissions injectors to flow where they need to be for S2+ power, and that's where some of the delay I alluded to earlier came from. Fact is, they will ship in about four weeks several hundred car sets worth and they will flow half again as much as the next closest OEM injector (besides GT/SRT).

You all should know by now that I am a straight shooter. If I haven't convinced you by now, I never will.

[SteelBlueGT]

quote:Originally posted by 3BarBoost

You all should know by now that I am a straight shooter. If I haven't convinced you by now, I never will.

convinced me

[Gear_Head]

Convinced me Too.........

[Kirby]

quote:Originally posted by 3BarBoost

See, this is why we don't say anything until the full story is out there. Somebody, actually several somebodies will take a little bit of info and run with it.

TurboG was talking strictly about the Turbo Toys version (which is all the SRT owners at the nats knew about). This is the version that is being built in limited lots until vendor negotiations are done. We don't talk about negotiations unless we absolutely have to. And trust me, this has nothing to do with the PCMs.

Finally, the GT and SRT use the largest high impedance injectors currently manufactured in the world - by some 20%. It is new technology to get low emissions injectors to flow where they need to be for S2+ power, and that's where some of the delay I alluded to earlier came from. Fact is, they will ship in about four weeks several hundred car sets worth and they will flow half again as much as the next closest OEM injector (besides GT/SRT).

You all should know by now that I am a straight shooter. If I haven't convinced you by now, I never will.

You have been pretty straight with us for a long while, and you should be commended for it. Our (collective) problem is that of support. If DC wants to hoard the ability to work with the 2.4 engine, then do it. Dragging this thing out for years does not make anybody feel all warm and fuzzy.

People will buy your parts one at a time just as well as a kit. The kits need strong marketing.....you don't have that, so why keep developing things you can't support? (More frustration)

Racers are by nature direct and impulsive (very few quilting bees for these guys&gals), so don't be suprised when they take for granted the first (released by DC employees) date for availability is the deadline. Period!!
When you say it .....do it! (Don't whine about getting a hard time from the peanut gallery.)

[Big Al]

quote:Originally posted by 3BarBoost
Finally, the GT and SRT use the largest high impedance injectors currently manufactured in the world - by some 20%. It is new technology to get low emissions injectors to flow where they need to be for S2+ power, and that's where some of the delay I alluded to earlier came from. Fact is, they will ship in about four weeks several hundred car sets worth and they will flow half again as much as the next closest OEM injector (besides GT/SRT).

These are high impedance injectors? Wow! I am surprised they can achieve good idle characteristics at that level of flow. I always assumed they were low impendance. Where can I get flow characteristic data for the Stage 1 injectors?

[3BarBoost]

quote:Originally posted by Big Al


These are high impedance injectors? Wow! I am surprised they can achieve good idle characteristics at that level of flow. I always assumed they were low impendance. Where can I get flow characteristic data for the Stage 1 injectors?

Here is a good place to start http://www.srtforums.com/faq/idx/0/027/article/

[3BarBoost]

quote:Originally posted by Kirby


You have been pretty straight with us for a long while, and you should be commended for it. Our (collective) problem is that of support. If DC wants to hoard the ability to work with the 2.4 engine, then do it. Dragging this thing out for years does not make anybody feel all warm and fuzzy.

People will buy your parts one at a time just as well as a kit. The kits need strong marketing.....you don't have that, so why keep developing things you can't support? (More frustration)

Racers are by nature direct and impulsive (very few quilting bees for these guys&gals), so don't be suprised when they take for granted the first (released by DC employees) date for availability is the deadline. Period!!
When you say it .....do it! (Don't whine about getting a hard time from the peanut gallery.)

The support thing is a tough one. MOPAR Performance relies on us production engineers to come up with the aftermarket parts along with doing our regular jobs. You might say we are moonlighting. So MOPAR has to make money to justify a budget to hire more engineers to make more parts, and basically there was nobody at the wheel until TurboG took over. These parts have to sell to generate income, to pay for more engineers and so on. You might say nobody at the level to approve budgets much believes in us. So the kits come out slowly.

As for the peanut gallery, sorry for gettin wound up. Give us the benefit of the doubt and don't assume we're just a corporate bureaucracy - because if we were, nothin cool would ever come out. We're more of a mom & pop shop than you think (currently two total engineers working for MOPAR).