Stage 2 Update from SEMA

[Hardsuit]

I went to the SEMA show this past Sunday at the LA Convention Center, and had a chance to chat with UniqueTwin for a bit about Stage 2(S2) for the PT. Please note that *nothing* I say can be considered official, nor was I taking notes, so I could be mistaken, be mis-remembering the conversation, or just plain wrong about what I will be stating below.


1) CARB approvals: They are actively working on getting CARB approvals for S2. This seems to be the main reason that it will be released so much later than S2 for the SRT. Actually, it seems like a lot of the reasons on why the S2 is running late for the PT, along with pricing questions, etc. seem to be directly related to getting the CARB approvals.

2) Cost: Because there may be some re-engineering needed to make the S2 CARB compliant (and thus added costs) the pricing for the PT S2 is not set, and may be higher than the SRT S2. IN NO WAY was there the implication that the PT S2 was going to cost significantly more than the SRT S2, but there is enough of a variable in the possible extra engineering costs that no numbers could be actually mentioned.

3) Release date: Once again, because of the CARB approval process and the potential extra time needed for fixes, no date was given. I tried to get even a general time frame, asking if 3rd or 4th quarter was likely, but could not get any kind of committment to a timeframe.


S2 *will* be coming out for the PT. It's just a matter of how long it's going to take. UniqueTwin also said that there was a lot of pressure to move engineers off of the PT over to work on the line of parts for the Dodge Viper, so that's one more possible complication that she is having to deal with.

I must also say that talking with UniqueTwin was a pleasure. She was very happy to talk with me, and was willing to answer any questions to the best of her ability. She also took down my contact info, along with a couple specific questions, and said she would contact me later on after she had a chance to recover from the convention.

Paul "Hardsuit" Wilson

[hyracer]

Hardsuit, we all thankyou for the update[^]

I'm sure this is good news to many that have to live in a state such as Calif. that require that sort of thing(CARB approval). But is another for those of us lucky enough not to have to worry about that sort of thing. I'm not complaining but had my heart set on finally getting S2 installed by June sometime.

Hopefully (I know this is WISHFULL THINKING) we will end up with a S2 kit with MORE power than less...since the stage kits run overly pig-rich at WOT. What I do not understand is why DCX would sell hundreds of non-CARB approved kits to SRT4 owners and sell maybe 100 CARB-approved kits to PT owners?

Anyway...and most importantly...we are still on track for S2. THANKYOU
UniqueTwin

Deen

[ote69]

I think its Kirby's fault[^]
steve

[TripleJackInGA]

quote:Originally posted by ote69

I think its Kirby's fault[^]
steve

Man......now he's gonna hafta find something else to b**ch about, hehe.

[)]

[ote69]

baaaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaa[8)]

[Kirby]

What you don't realise about what she is doing to make S2 CARB compatible is to make all the sensors at least seem to be working. We are fast approaching a time when even cars in the boondocks will be tested by inexpensive obd II or III sensors, and it will be pass or don't drive.
I will take full credit for requesting this small added embelishment that will make me stand in line to buy the S2 product!

Thank You Unique!![8)]

[blueberrygt]

I appreciate the update also

Although, I'm a bit confused...

The S1 kit was sold "as is" and not intended/legal for pollution controlled vehicles -- people still bought it... is there a reason why they are going to CARB S2, when they didn't do so for S1? (Perhaps they have since submitted for CARB approval)

And why would they want to CARB approve the PT and not the SRT.. from what I gather, the computer isn't that different from the SRT...

The S2 for the SRT's haven't been submitted for CARB exemption...
Even if they were waiting for CARB approval, they could still sell it, like they did with S1...

From what I gather, the injectors have been the main hold up with the SRT S2...The high impedence injectors are somewhat revolutionary to the market, which is part of the reason why S1 was delayed a bit also...

[Hardsuit]

UniqueTwin did say that she was considering releasing the S2 for the SRT with CARB approvals later on, but is not 100% sure of that for a couple of reasons. She's worried that if they do a release of a CARB compliant S2 for the SRT after they've already sold a non-CARB compliant one that there could be a backlash against MOPAR for doing it that way. Because of the possibility of needing to go and actually change physical parts and not just programming, it could get a little sticky about people wanting to swap a non-CARB SRT-S2 for a CARB ok SRT-S2 at MOPAR's expense.

She also mentioned that they are also looking in to having the S1 CARB'd as well. That one will probably only happen though if no changes are needed to the existing setups.

Paul "Hardsuit" Wilson

quote:Originally posted by blueberrygt

I appreciate the update also

Although, I'm a bit confused...

The S1 kit was sold "as is" and not intended/legal for pollution controlled vehicles -- people still bought it... is there a reason why they are going to CARB S2, when they didn't do so for S1? (Perhaps they have since submitted for CARB approval)

And why would they want to CARB approve the PT and not the SRT.. from what I gather, the computer isn't that different from the SRT...

The S2 for the SRT's haven't been submitted for CARB exemption...
Even if they were waiting for CARB approval, they could still sell it, like they did with S1...

From what I gather, the injectors have been the main hold up with the SRT S2...The high impedence injectors are somewhat revolutionary to the market, which is part of the reason why S1 was delayed a bit also...

[hyracer]

While I hate to have to wait even more time for the CARB approval...

I think it is great that all our fellow PT Crusiers owners like Kirby and others in Calif. will be able to run S2. It also shows that Mopar is trying to serve it's customer base. This is a GOOD thing[^]

Deen

[Cal Cruzer]

Oh man, I will be SO all over that thing if it comes out with CARB approval!