HH O generator

[notadodge]

Hey guys I have been away for a while and I ususally check my email first. since I have not recieved any reply notification on the email I just forgot about the topic. the system I am using on the ford is from ebay it is basically a omni filter housing with stainless plates in it for the electrolysis and a bubler to flame arest incase of back fire and a water accumulator for an inline air hose plumbed into the air intake via a T in the pcv hose I will try to get pictures on the net but the wife dosnt let me have the camera after a whoops with the last one while 4 wheeling.

We have currently built another one that I found on a different forum (free plans) http://www.umpquaenergy.com/hydrogen.../tero_cell.pdf

you may have to register to get to the plans but this is the best low buck one I have seen and have one built, it kicks butt, plus it is way compact compared to the one I have on my pick-up and puts out about twice the hho. the cruiser is so tight under the hood i think that I will have to remove the air cleaner and go with a air-aid system just to have some room. at least that is the excuse I am using with the wife.

I will try to post the link to the guy I bought from on ebay but I am on a work computer and they have ebay firewalled here.

the amount of hho gas is regulated via a pulse width modulater basically controling the amps drawn about 23 amps for hi way use. the kit i have included every thing to set it up an was a little over $200 great instructions but the unit is rather large and doesnt fit anywhere in the cruiser. We did hook up the map interupter and it works well it has 2 knobs and 2 switches one is on or bypass the other is city and hi way. although I only run mine on the hiway. the 2 knobs basically regulate the volatge in the map sensor you just cut back the mixture on the knob till it misses and then turn it up till it runs smooth and your set. I am hoping to have the one on the pt over the weekend

As for the auto makers they are testing this on new vehicles and so are the military, I first heard of this on 60 minutes I wouldnt think that they would run a non reputable story. The only problem with this is there is no way to regulate this type of fuel if your generating it your self so you cannot assess road tax to it to pay for hiway repair so the government is not going to jump on this bandwagon, plus they are all a bunch of oil well owning crooks..

If you search hho and meyer there is a guy that has a system that you take out the spark plugs and replace them with a combo injector igniter/ generator that basically converts the hho right in the spark plug but this system is not yet for sale I think he is holding out for the big bucks. it will probably get sold to the big auto makers and shut up like any think else that make good milage. like the gm 3800 it was too good so they killed production by building 3400 that is crap for milage..

[Badger]

Thanks for the link, Notadodge!

So, let me get this right. You run gas and hho in your pickup at the same time?

[notadodge]

yes you run both. The hho is a suplemental fuel is partially replaces the gas. you can run all hho but the systems are alot more complex, this is a hybrid system. The system can displace the gas usage up to 90% depending on the system and how you use it.

I was hoping to have the generator on the pt over the weekend by I didnt get Ups today so I doubt I'll get anything done now... I really dont want to rob parts off my truck for just a few days. Plus I need to get an aftermarket air cleaner .. I have one off my old truck I was going to try to adapt for now.

Holidays really suck when your waiting for deliverys!!!

[Badger]

I don't see any way that increasing the content of oxygen from 20.9% to 20.9014% and hydrogen from 0.00005% to 0.00019% in the incoming airstream to the combustion chamber would give the fuel efficiency gains you claim. (the amount of hho this generator is supposed to make is just about 1 litre per minute, while, conservatively, I'm estimating airflow into the carberator at 250 cfm or 7080 litres per minute, thus the hho added to the airflow is 1/7080 or 0.00014% of the airflow)

Atmospheric Composition

Energy Density

I see that the combustion energy of gaseous hydrogen at atmospheric pressure is 0.01079 MJ/L, while that of gasoline is 34.6 MJ/L.

The chemistry/math/physics just doesn't add up for me.

Any idea what I'm missing?

[cleverklutz]

The way I had understood it to work is that the small amount of hydrogen helps the fuel burn more completely. I had found an article in wikipedia that mentioned that with a small amount of hydrogen you can run an air fuel ratio of about 30:1. The hydrogen helps the gasoline burn more completely and also lowers combustion temps. As an energy additive, I have to agree the small amount of hydrogen couldn't do anything, but if it can increase efficiency then I could see it working.

Ben

[Badger]

Well, ideally for complete combustion, one would want to have pure oxygen coming in to the carberator, rather than the 20% in the normal atmosphere, because combustion breaks the gasoline (strings of carbon and hydrogen atoms making up the individual gasoline molecules) into water (H2O from the hydrogen in the gasoline combining with the oxygen in the air) and CO2 (from the carbon in the gasoline combining with the oxygen in the air).

Combustion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, any additional hydrogen from the hho process would just combine with the oxygen from the hho process to create water (H2O) again, releasing less energy than it took to split the water in the first place. The hydrogen wouldn't act as a catalyst in the reaction.

Also, lowering of combustion temperatures would decrease the efficiency of the combustion process. This is why one wants to go with hot spark plugs, and good plug wires, as discussed in other threads here. As a side note, the reason intercoolers are used on turbochargers is to cool the gas coming in to the combustion chamber so that it is denser so that there is more fuel in the combustion chamber, not to keep the combustion temperature down.

So, again, I don't see how the hho process would improve the above significantly, unless I'm missing something.

[JoeHundredAire]

I don't know the specifics of how it all works either. So I'm Not gonna argue those points, but I've finally met someone I know that has a hydrogen booster on their vehicle. His mpg in his truck went from 18mpg to about 32mpg. Which is a pretty freaking significant increase.
It's an older truck, I don't know how it's going to work as efficient on our newer cars with all the computer controls involved. I guess if you don't believe it, then don't add one to your car. If your willing to give it a shot & your handy, you can make one for a few bucks & try it. Nothing ventured, Nothing gained.

[amundaza]

Howdy all,
I'll also be installing one on my PT Cruiser soon, waiting for it to arrive. I messed with a very crude one on my '89 Grand Wagoneer (AMC 360 power) 3 years back and it did make a difference. I am going to install the following unit (click here) on my PT Cruiser. Guy I'm getting mine from has installed them on a handful of vehicles and up their mileage 13-15 MPG on average. Took his Dodge Dakota from 17 MPG highway to 36 MPG highway.

[cleverklutz]

I ordered the water4gas plans about a week ago. I have parts on the way to build the system. After reading through everything I still think it looks legit. It might be the end of the month before I get it installed in my PT though, the electronics you need for leaning out the EFI are backordered for about two weeks.

I'll definitely post my results.

Ben

[amundaza]

Originally Posted by cleverklutz

I ordered the water4gas plans about a week ago ....

Just an FYI, guys, you can get FREE PLANS (including water4gas design) in the files section of the Yahoo Watercar Group. This is a really good place to start with HHO, as all the guys there are working on systems and posting feedback, in the attempt to ultimately get a system that runs entirely on HHO. There are some good designs that have come out of the group.

watercar : Daniel Dingel's Hydrogen-Powered Car