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Old 28 Jun 2011, 07:52 pm
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Default 40TE Fluid change with pics

Here is a quick how to. I opted to get the Dorman pan from Rock auto, it was 25$ shipped to my door. I used Mopar Gray Sealant, mopar Filter

Dorman Pan # 265801 18.92 + shipping RockAuto

Mopar Gray Gear RTV 82300234 10$ Dealer

Mopar ATF RTV #05010884AA 10$ Dealer

Mopar Filter and o-ring 04864505AB 12$ Dealer

Redline C+ 10.29$ Qt to door Amazon, used 6 1/4 qts, bought case of 12

Loctite Blue so pan bolts wont loosen.

Plenty of paper towels and some brake cleaner to clean off mating surfaces and magnet.

Tourque per 04 FSM, pan bolts to case, 19 NM or 165 in-lbs

Capacity 4 qts estimated for filter change, 8.6 qts system per FSM, I got 6 1/4 qts out after draining for over 2 days of dripping!


I used the Dorman pan since it was cheap and has the drain plug. It is a Chicomm unit ( I hate to buy imported, but no option here). It has a bolt with OD of .545" and copper washer( ,040" thick, ID .555" OD .785"). You have to swap in your magnet to the new pan. If you use this, you can now drain the pan in the future without a ATF shampoo..

I opted for C+ Redline Transmission Fluid. This is Redline's direct replacement for ATF+4. If you opt for Redline make sure it is C+ not any of their other transmission fluids for other applications. This is a Group 5 Ester based fluid, I believe they use Lubrizol for the add pack.

You can of course use Mopar ATF+4 or any of the other equivalents.
DO NOT use Dexron with some concoction to make it like ATF+4.

I also decided to use the Mopar Gray. It works well and I think if any oil gets under it and the mating surface i am told it will displace it and adhere to both surfaces. It has never let me down.

I also opted to use the Mopar Filter, don't want to risk any issues over a 12$ part. Guaranteed fitment and filter media.

Attached are pictures, pretty much self explanitory. But some comments.

I use jack stands. I removed all the bolts ( 13 of em total metric 8x1.25) save the corners. Used a razor blade to carefully cut the factory RTV,(like opening a clam) and tapped the corner. Then the fluid will spill out. I have the pan and some absorbant mats underneath.

I let it drain over the weekend, was in no hurry and over 6 1/4 qts came out. Note it was still dripping when I put it back together

Make sure you clean the mating surface of the trans case off so no RTV is left, clean all the bolts. I soak em in gas and wire brush all the threads so they are perfectly clean and will thread in easy without cross threading.

Take note of how much material is on the magnet and if any shavings. Mine only had 4500 miles on it and was covered in gray paste from break in wear. No shavings! See pictures of smudges wiped on the the paper towel. Somehow I am guessing if I drop the pan in say 50K miles I wont see too much on it next time because much of the wear is from break in.

Also make sure you swap the clean magnet back in the pan in the same location.

Make sure you seat the filter in correctly.

I put the bolts in a pan and dab them all with a drop of loctite blue.

Lastly, apply the film of RTV on the pan.

Quickly clean the mating surface of the trans since it will still be dripping, I spray break cleaner on a towel and wipe it good, especially the lower rail where the fluid will run off of.

Time to get the pan up there and the corner bolts threaded in. Then the remaining bolts hand tight. then in a criss cross pattern tighten them in a couple stages to the 19 NM spec.

I let it dry a full day so the RTV is nice and cured.

Then refill, since I caught it all, I put 5.5 qts in. then I took it for a 10 min ride to get it up to temp. Checked it and added anotehr 1/2 qt and took for another spin, checked it again and topped it to half way on the hot on the stick(note I checked it before I did this with the original fluid in it for reference and wrote it down in my manual). It took about 6 1/4 qts.

It shifted fine before and still shifts great, very smooth, no clunks or delays.

Good luck if you opt to do it your self.

Had to post second memo for all pics.
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Old 28 Jun 2011, 08:03 pm
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Very nice bro. Thanks
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Default Re: 40TE Fluid change with pics

very nice how-to, exactly what I am looking for.

my 03 Limited will be 9 years old next summer, thought the mileage then will be just 38K. I plan to do the trans fluid change that time.

I have some questions.

Why did you change the fluid since it only has 4.5K miles?

I guess it takes around $150 to do a machine suck, the cost of your project does not save much. Is there any good reason you want to DIY? I am considering let the dealer do it if DIY does not save much.

Thank you very much.
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im not VNT but the filter at orileys is $23---gasket filter and 0ring the 6 quarts of ATF +4 is under $40 I did nto use any sealer so i was at about $70 total which is about half of the shop I do knwo you do not get it all out only about 50% but i did mine a few times so in theory it was the same cost as a shop to get it all out but i liked doing it myself and knowing it was done as good as I could
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Old 28 Aug 2011, 07:45 am
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very nice how-to, exactly what I am looking for.

my 03 Limited will be 9 years old next summer, thought the mileage then will be just 38K. I plan to do the trans fluid change that time.

I have some questions.

Why did you change the fluid since it only has 4.5K miles?

I wanted to get the initial break in wear out, clean the magnet, install a fresh mopar filter and above all get the Group V base Redline fluid in there and have a pan with a drain plug. I plan to once a year drain it and refill before I put it away for the winter. Amsoil has a nice white paper on differentials and how 80% of the wear occurs in the first 5000 miles or so during break in, so the percetage move on any trans or diff is to change the fluid early. No need to have all the wear metals floating around

I guess it takes around $150 to do a machine suck, the cost of your project does not save much. Is there any good reason you want to DIY? I am considering let the dealer do it if DIY does not save much.

Well the Redline is much better fluid, I also installed the new pan with a drain. I would rather do anything myslef but if you have the dealer do it, just make sure you have filter changed too

Thank you very much.
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Default Re: 40TE Fluid change with pics

Just wanted to say "Thanks" VNT for taking the time to document and take photos of the process... much appreciated. Will make the job easier, and I'll also feel more confident doing it (I've done a lot of repair work in the past, but never tackled changing the trans fluid... always afraid that I'll end up with a leak-er).
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Thank you so much for the detailed procedure and the photos! I currently have a leak, and I'm trying to decide if I want to attempt it myself. Not sure yet, but I now know what to reference. (I didn't know there was a filter under there.)
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