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Old 07 Aug 2011, 10:56 pm
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I just purchased a 2001 that had been slightly wrecked in the front.

Replaced the radiator, tuned it up, and put some fuel in the tank. Turns over strong but will not start. After trying to start it for a few mins, I hear water pouring out.

Looking at the muffler, water is dripping in a steady stream and has a sweet smell.

Today I got around to training the oil. The first inch of my oil pan was milky white. I got everything off and looked at the cams. You can tell that there was some green prestone on them.

I will work on getting the engine out tomorrow since I ran out of daylight today.

Am I better off buying a used engine or trying to rebuild this one?
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Old 07 Aug 2011, 10:59 pm
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The bottom ends are pretty robust. I would bet you just have a warped head.
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Old 08 Aug 2011, 12:42 pm
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My head was completely and totally wrecked, and the block was fine... I'd agree, chances are a new gasket and a head refurb and you're good to go.
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Old 08 Aug 2011, 02:34 pm
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And Prestone is a No-No - Zerex G-05 or stuff from the dealer only.
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And Prestone is a No-No - Zerex G-05 or stuff from the dealer only.
Should it use the red dex cool style fluid?

I was able to get the motor out this evening. Will take it apart tomorrow.

Stopped by the machine shop on my way in and the machinist said that he would check out the head and rebuild if needed. Also agreed to check the block over for damage. I'm going to just rebuild the whole thing, rather do that now than have issues down the road. I plan to drive this car around 4000 miles a month for work.
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Old 19 Aug 2011, 08:42 pm
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So I was able to get the engine out and apart last week. The head was toast. Anyone have a good source for a replacement? I found one with cams for 390.00 @ fliteline engineering.

Just got the block back from the machine shop, all is well with her. Put a coat of Grabber Green on the block to prevent any rust. Will build the bottom end up tomorrow!
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Old 19 Aug 2011, 09:08 pm
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I have PT heads. I know I have an '01, I can check w/ a head gauge for straightness and alcohol in chambers for valve leaks.

It'd go for a lot less than $399!

My e-bay feedback as seller is perfect; I've sold several heads, only one that still appears is a beemer head.

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Not to quash a sale, is he SURE the head is bad??? These are very robust pieces.
Have him explain exactly what's wrong.
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For ur coolant only use zerex or mopar coolant from the dealer. Zerex can be gotten from napa
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I have PT heads. I know I have an '01, I can check w/ a head gauge for straightness and alcohol in chambers for valve leaks.

It'd go for a lot less than $399!

My e-bay feedback as seller is perfect; I've sold several heads, only one that still appears is a beemer head.

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Not to quash a sale, is he SURE the head is bad??? These are very robust pieces.
Have him explain exactly what's wrong.
I watched him look it over. The head was wrapped more than .20 inch.

Please let me know ASAP on the head. I can buy now if its a good working unit. Will it already be built? I can re-use my cams, but they have a little rust showing on the lobes because water got in there.
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Old 19 Aug 2011, 09:22 pm
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You can have heads straightened.

I'll look it over this weekend, ensure no threads are stripped, etc.
I'll get you pics of the head gauge and alcohol if it all checks out.

I don't advocate rebuilding heads unless it's absolutely necessary, it's way
different than the 60's and 70's, seats and valves are now quality.
Grinding seats only sinks valves, and that's a power-robber.
I'll guarantee rebuilders don't set the tip-height either.

Guides seems to be within tolerance on all 2.0/2.4 DOHC I've checked.
Again, I really like the head, much better than what I grew up with.
Don't even need to replace guide seals!
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