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Old 11 Jun 2012, 07:55 pm
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Default CODES codes codes... Anyone know what these codes may mean are wrong?

PT Pros.. I have an 05 PT Convertible that I cant seem to get right. Throwing codes left and right... I have to get running so I can inspect it and sell it befor the month is over.

A few months ago the timing belt went at a stop light. We had the car towed home, checked the valves, compression, and installed new timing belt (and waterpump).. Car seemed to be running fine but I get a miss-like stumble in the idle once in a while. I though maybe timing was off by a tooth so I removed belt and retimed again.. Pretty sure its right on now, but still have the same issue.. runs fine around town but has rough idle at start on occassion or when hitting the throttle.

Checked codes at Advance Auto and had a Crank Sensor code and temp sensor code.. (temp sensor cracked when lifting motor to do timing so I knew this needed replacing) I forget the code numbers now.. Changed crank angle sensor and temp coolant sensor yesterday but still runs the same...

Checked codes again and I have 7 codes now.. So Pro's here the current code list.. what do you think? Electrical? Timing still? Any other thoughts?

P0016 Crank and Cam Shaft correlation error bank 1 sensor A
P0113 Air intake temp sensor 1 Circuit hight input
P0335 Crank Angle position sensor A Circuit malfunction
P0117 temp sensor circuit low input
P0118 engine cooland sensor high voltage

thanks guys all your help is appreciated
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Old 11 Jun 2012, 10:52 pm
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Default Re: CODES codes codes... Anyone know what these codes may mean are wrong?

Did you go to the library thread in this section? You can download the DTC listings that tell you all the definitions of the trouble codes.

As to the trouble codes you've got, have you replaced the crank sensor? If so did you use a factory one or some other brand of after-market?
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Old 12 Jun 2012, 04:21 pm
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Default Re: CODES codes codes... Anyone know what these codes may mean are wrong?

I will look at the library section again.. I may have missed it. I did have to use an adtermarket sensor from Advance. The chrysler dealer by me was out of stock. The sensor was just put in yesterday so it is only a few hours old and has maybe 5 miles on it so should be working.

Any thoughts on the codes popping up if the sensors are good? Im assuming wiring break maybe?

open to any thoughts.

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Old 12 Jun 2012, 04:30 pm
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You know you can pull your own codes without going to the auto store, right?

How to retrieve fault codes.

Is the battery being disconnected for at least 5 minutes so the old codes will be cleared from the computer?

Aftermarket electrical sensors have been proven on this forum over and over again that they will fail sooner or later. They're made from internal junk and soon fail and leave you stranded. They may look good from the outside but are only copies of the real MOPAR genuine parts.
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Old 12 Jun 2012, 05:09 pm
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Thanks Crewzin. That is definitely the easiest way to get the codes. Any thought to the....P0016 Crank and Cam Shaft correlation error bank 1 sensor A code?

I had ordered the OEM sensor and waiting for it to arrive in a week, but assuming the new aftermarket crank sensor is good, does this refer to or point to anything in particular at fault?
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Old 12 Jun 2012, 05:27 pm
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That code will set when the camshaft position sensor and the crankshaft position sensor do not "line up". Basically...if the timing is off.

Here's a good read: P0016 Crankshaft Position - Camshaft Position Correlation (Bank 1 Sensor A) - DTC Code

BTW...MY OPINION FOLLOWS it is not intended to defame or insult anyone who may share an opposite view of my opinion

...each forum I have used over the years has a urban legend floating around in it. Sometimes multiple. This one seems to have the "aftermarket sensors are junk" legend. Most sensors are made in just a couple different factories as the tooling is too expensive for many multiple places to manufacturer them.

While it's true some may be bad upon purchase AND assuming that OEMs may have a higher standard of production, to assume ALL aftermarket sensors are junk and that the PT in general "doesn't like aftermarket parts" is based on very small percentage of anecdotal "evidence".

Just like car batteries, the sensor that says Mopar on it could be the same exact sensor that says NAPA on it. That said, if you can afford OEM sensors then, by all means, buy them first. For me, I don't have a Dodge/Chrysler dealer on my island...I have to go aftermarket.
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Ken

You may call it legend if you like. I've been on this particular forum for 10 years and have lost count the number of owners that have stuck an aftermarket sensor on their PT and when they run into the same problem they had in the first place, switch to a Chrysler sensor and they solved the problem and haven't been back.

Think what you like. We use to have a Certified Master Mechanic on the forum who took things apart and saw the difference of the internal parts in store bought sensors. He was the one who initially took the MFS switch apart and found the cheap parts that were used and why they burned out.

I'll continue to suggest that anyone buying sensor, go for a genuine Chrysler part. Sure, an aftermarket part might last for awhile but probably not a long time.
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...each forum I have used over the years has a urban legend floating around in it. Sometimes multiple. This one seems to have the "aftermarket sensors are junk" legend. Most sensors are made in just a couple different factories as the tooling is too expensive for many multiple places to manufacturer them.

While it's true some may be bad upon purchase AND assuming that OEMs may have a higher standard of production, to assume ALL aftermarket sensors are junk and that the PT in general "doesn't like aftermarket parts" is based on very small percentage of anecdotal "evidence".

Just like car batteries, the sensor that says Mopar on it could be the same exact sensor that says NAPA on it. That said, if you can afford OEM sensors then, by all means, buy them first. For me, I don't have a Dodge/Chrysler dealer on my island...I have to go aftermarket.
I totally agree- YET I'm wrong. Time and time again people have reported problems with aftermarket sensors-
My Buddy on our local Neon site- Gets JY sensors (we're too cheap to buy anything from dealer)
The TX3 GM sensor we use for AIT on MS installs-
There's a brass body, plastic tip
zinc plated steel body (OE GM I Think) plastic tip
All Plastic (not really same sensor ...)
and Standard Motor products has an all brass-
So there's many different Manufacturers just in my little study

I know exactly what you're thinking, tho

In this case, tho, there's so many faults that it seems there must be a short- or something more systems.

Agree on time belt- There were claims by old timers that a few cars came from factory with incorrect timing and had to get a 're-learn procedure when installed correctly, but this would be highly, highly unlikely relative to the amount of garages that mess up the procedure.
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I appreciate everyones insight and expertise but please, Fight nice kids.. the OEM vs aftermarket debate would make a great Other thread and Im all for a great debate... but,

I dont want this post to get side tracked and forget my original post and issues Im trying to fix here. JenneK thanks for the info as well. I am leaning towards the thought that the timing still may be off as well even though I have checked it a few times and looks right.

Is there any other things I can check that frequently go bad or may also throw the same codes? I am trying to troubleshoot and diagnose other possible culprits before having to go back through the nightmare or rechecking and resetting the timing. Just blew my knee out this weekend and I know it wont make this job any easier.

Thanks again Pros
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What about the magnet that triggers the sensor, have these been looked at?
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