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Old 12 Aug 2013, 03:30 pm
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Default A question of verification RE: Checking Timing Belt

Alright, few indicators have led me to require checking the timing belt position.

Just wondering if it is possible to skip a few parts of the full breakdown and pull only the upper cover to verify the position and condition? Or if the clearance is just not quite enough and it still requires going through everything.
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Remove the front cover. Remove the #1 plug. get a long screwdriver or dowel rod with some marks on it to see the piston moving up and down. Move the crank till you are at top dead center. Your marks on the cam should point to each other and line up through the center line of the cam bolts.
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Old 13 Aug 2013, 04:56 pm
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erm ... does that mean I still need to pull the balancer, motor mount, etcetera?
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Remove the front cover. Remove the #1 plug. get a long screwdriver or dowel rod with some marks on it to see the piston moving up and down. Move the crank till you are at top dead center. Your marks on the cam should point to each other and line up through the center line of the cam bolts.
That's definately the words of a true mechanic.....That's the first (and easiest way) I was ever taught to find TDC.(I was only 13,and in Shop/Sm.Eng. Class)
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Old 13 Aug 2013, 05:51 pm
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By both those responses, I will go with "no" to my question.

Will do this and take a few pics for others interested.
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Old 14 Aug 2013, 10:54 pm
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I decided to try to take the upper cover off first rather than go through all the hassle of taking off the upper manifold. It is simple as pie! Slightly harder than taking out the airbox, seriously!

The only reason it is slightly harder is that you have to pull three bolts blind. If you do not own a short flex handle or thumb socket, now is the time to get one.

To slightly revise how you should do this rather than what I did:
1) Unbolt the power steering pump 13mm 2 bolts
2) Unscrew the upper cover, there are 3 8mm bolts:
One is a reach-around blind
The center is dead easy
The right one requires you to push around the power steering hose to get out
3) Remove the two bolts from the upper motor mount
4) Move the power steering reservoir towards the wheel, under the cruise vacuum lines and over the hard AC lines.
5) Push the engine bracket over and rotate the cover back to free up the front.
6) Move the power steering reservoir back to its spot.
7) Work the cover off.

You may need to reach around to free up the blind bolt corner while working it out. Probably takes 5 minutes to do this depending on dexterity.
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Old 14 Aug 2013, 10:57 pm
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Okay, I stopped at this point.

If you look at the last image, there are two sets of marks. One denoted with red and the other bare. I do not recall seeing any images with two pairs.

To hazard a guess, it is the red ones I should be expecting to lineup?
Does anyone know?
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Old 15 Aug 2013, 12:22 am
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caustic; check around the site for pictures [how to- harmonic balancer]. I think?
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Old 15 Aug 2013, 12:32 am
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caustic; check around the site for pictures [how to- harmonic balancer]. I think?
Hmm, I have not found any with two sets of marks. (the harmonic balancer images do not show what I am asking about, but thank you for the suggestion)

Edit: Did find a reference half way through the Broken Timing Belt thread. Good to go now, just need time.
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Old 15 Aug 2013, 03:14 am
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caustic, 'broken timing belt' --- post 17, second pic. --- note the 2 marks on each sprocket. When at tdc , the arrows on both sprockets must point UP , and the inner marks must be inline with the center of the cam sprocket bolts. Disregard the outer marks.

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