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Old 28 Feb 2014, 08:03 am
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I did a LITTLE searching but didn't find what I was looking for
Part f my 'replace all U can' philosophy for my new Cruiser had eth stock coil on the list. Saw some disparaging info on MSD which is what I was leaning towards. I LOOKED for an ACCELL super coil; don't think they manufacture one for the Cruisers at all...so what *I* am asking is what coil manufacturers are top shelf when replacing a STOCK coil; with a hotter one?
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 09:46 am
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Go on PTCrew where there are many modded PTs with awesome horsepower - there is no need to replace the coil unless it is faulty.
There is a "mod bible" section where you can benefit from other's experiences.
Plug wires you should replace, and do plugs when you do wires.
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 09:47 am
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Joe, you have a stock cruiser so continue using the stock MOPAR coil. Gives plenty of spark and even the guys over at the CREW who have beefed up their cruisers are using MOPAR coils. My $.02

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Old 28 Feb 2014, 11:03 am
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I get tired of seeing people that post about the Mitsubishi coil pack stating phrases like "if it works then don't replace it"! ALL electrical components as they age there is an decreased electrical resistance in the material that builds up deteriorating and diminishing the electrical output. Many would never notice the slow decline in the Transformers performance until they questioned things like gradual engine power loss, increased MPG,spark plug wires short life, increased combustion chamber carbon build up leading to pre-ignition (detonation),etc. A PT Cruiser Coil packis inexpensive and easy to change. IMO they should be replaced if you have over 10 years on a vehicle or over 100K miles. Naturally if you are upgrading the engines output they should be one of the first things on the list to replace!

There is nothing wrong with the MSD! It is forum MYTH and BULL s**T about claimed failed or problematic MSD coils. I have tried to prove this for some 7+ plus years now and no one has given me a "failed" MSD coil to examine and MSD has very little record or refund or warranty replaced Mitsubishi coils! And the MSD and Accel are both made made of BETTER QUALITY material then a stock coil. However the transformers specification are the same as stock.
There are improved coils that you can get for any engine specifically the PT Cruiser but they require doing some wiring additions and modifications to the stock coil pack harness.
BTW there are gains to upgrading the secondary wiring system, i.e. transformers(coils). If any one or you read differently the people have no clue what they are doing!!!!!!!!!!!

The "crew" are PT Cruiser specialists!! Simply a condensed group of some well modded PT Cruisers. But then if we argue this point I guess as I belong to the "CREW" what does that make me? LOL If they really had well "beefed up" Pt Cruisers you would see more using advanced ignition electronics's and not just OEM coils! But only a couple did that?


If anyone has a claimed failed MSD coil used on a PT Cruiser. I will gladly pay the freight to have it sent to me ! If is truly a failed coil and not damaged during any handling I will get it replaced for you through MSD with a current warranty date or try to get a refund authorized where you purchased it as long as they were a qualified MSD distributor or dealer!
The stipulation to this offer is the date code can not be more then 2 years old other wise I can not guarantee adjustments. Most purchased an MSD coil paid 60-95 dollars.





DON the "mod" bible is the Old Testament of upgrading a PT Cruiser and much of that information is old and dated. So maybe someone should do a NEW Testament "mod" PT Cruiser bible '?
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 11:46 am
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There is nothing wrong with the MSD! It is forum MYTH and......
I agree the that quality of the MSD is likely as good or better than OEM coils And the OEM coils could potential come from any one of several manufacturers. So all Mopar coils are not created equally even though the wide consensus on this forum and others is that the stock PT Cruiser coil usually does not give problems and may well last for the life of the car.

I'm not so sure about Accel. The last Accel distributor I bought from Advanced Auto turned out to be made in China and the cap and rotor appeared to be very cheaply made. I didn't use them. But I did use the HEI coil that came with it but I wasn't impressed with the visual quality. This doesn't appear to be the same good ol' Accel stuff I remember from back in the day.

But quality concerns aside, I believe there's rarely a substantial performance gain from adding a performance ignition coil to a normally aspirated passenger car with a stock engine. Most of these performance coils are designed for high RPM usage such as during drag racing. Unless a lot of other mods are performed and unless you plan to drag race or run your engine at high RPM's, what the point? A stock coil will work just as well. But I do acknowledge that the MSD coil is likely a good durable replacement as a stock ignition coil. Plus it's red and pretty.

PS: Of course there are other types of performance ignition coils and entire ignition systems that can likely be added. But now we are talking about performing way more modifications that just changing out an ignition coil, plugs and wires. And again, what advantage is there unless you want to run at high RPM's?
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 11:57 am
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I agree the that quality of the MSD is likely as good or better than OEM coils And the OEM coils could potential come from any one of several manufacturers. So all Mopar coils are not created equally. I'm not so sure about Accel.

The last Accel distributor I bought from Advanced Auto turned out to be made in China and the cap and rotor appeared to be very cheaply made. I didn't use them. But I did use the HEI coil that came with it but I wasn't impressed with the visual quality. This doesn't appear to be the same good ol' Accel stuff I remember from back in the day.

But quality concerns aside, I believe there's rarely a substantial performance gain from adding a performance ignition coil to normally aspirated passenger car. Most of these are designed for high RPM usage such as during drag racing. Unless a lot of other mods are performed and unless you plan to drag race, what the point? A stock coil will work just as well. But I do acknowledge that the MSD coil is likely a good durable replacement as a stock ignition coil.
Ok a few points here.


How is something of electrical component wise "clearly cheaply made"? Did you test it for continuity or just going by its looks?

OEM as well aftermarket can be made from several sources any more. That is the world we live in. If you take any random Chrysler product (look up the MOPAR name use) and where it is manufactured you may find that any common number could come from 2-3 different countries and materials to assemble them from even more. The thinking that OEM is better may not necessarily be the wisest phrase to use anymore?


The improvement of ignition components is NOT just for engines used in competition. Most application of ignition improvements is for engines speeds 3000 rpm or less. That is exactly the average engine speeds of a daily driver. So when you improve your secondary systems you also improve the drivabilty of your vehicle through improved MPG better throttle response, more engine power and a cleaner burning exhaust.
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 12:19 pm
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Did you test it for continuity or just going by its looks?
Well it is red
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 12:19 pm
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You aren't going to win with Nitro so its not worth it lol.
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Old 28 Feb 2014, 12:23 pm
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Well it is red

Ya but Handy was using Accel so it may have been yellow?
Which just that is slower then RED but faster then black!

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Old 28 Feb 2014, 12:28 pm
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Ok a few points here.


How is something of electrical component wise "clearly cheaply made"? Did you test it for continuity or just going by its looks?

OEM as well aftermarket can be made from several sources any more. That is the world we live in. If you take any random Chrysler product (look up the MOPAR name use) and where it is manufactured you may find that any common number could come from 2-3 different countries and materials to assemble them from even more. The thinking that OEM is better may not necessarily by the wisest phrase to use anymore?


The improvement of ignition components is NOT just for engines used competition. Most application of ignition improvements is for engines speeds 3000 rpm or less. That is exactly the average engine speeds of a daily driver. So when you improve your secondary systems you also improve the drivabilty of your vehicle through improved MPG better throttle response, more engine power and a cleaner burning exhaust.
First point. I first noticed the problem with Accel cap when I noticed a crack it in right out of the box. Then I notice how thin and weak the plastic was. I returned to the store and found all of them were made like that and some others already had cracks. The rotor was made from the same cheap material. A standard Wells brand cap and rotor are much better made. And on the coil, contacts for wires appeared as if I myself (blind and shaky) soldered them to the connectors. Plus the wire was a smaller gauge than stock and machine work was rough. This coil has worked fine so far but I am not impressed at all. Maybe Accel picked a poor vendor in China to provide these items. And if so, that's a big issue and makes Accel no better than any no-name seller on eBay. You buy it and then who knows what you actually get.

Second item. I'm glad we agree that Mopar parts can come from different sources.

Third item. What exactly is the performance gain from replacing a perfectly fine OEM coil in good condition and instead using a MSD #8239 ignition coil if my PT is only used for lawful operation on US roads and the stock unmodified NA engine is always operated in normal RPM range? What does that $90 pretty red coil get me besides a warm and fuzzy feeling and a lighting wallet?

PS: This is a friendly debate only for the edification of all. Present company has my respect, but I won't respond if this gets ugly. I'm here to share, learn and have fun.
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