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Old 11 May 2016, 01:51 pm
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Cool yet another timing issue!

Have a 2005 2.4 touring PT

Iv'e lined up the timing marks on both the cams and the crank. but when I
turn the engine over two times the exhaust is always a half tooth off.
everything's gone well until this point.
Is that acceptable, or does anybody have a suggestion? tried setting cam a half tooth first but then the belt won't engage teeth and not enough play in tensioner.

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Old 11 May 2016, 07:20 pm
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Have a 2005 2.4 touring PT

Iv'e lined up the timing marks on both the cams and the crank. but when I
turn the engine over two times the exhaust is always a half tooth off.
everything's gone well until this point.
Is that acceptable, or does anybody have a suggestion? tried setting cam a half tooth first but then the belt won't engage teeth and not enough play in tensioner.

thanks Pat
Post a pick of the crank mark and the cams. So we can see what you have. Becase there is only one right line up. No close is good enough here. So best to be sure what you have.
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Old 12 May 2016, 02:11 pm
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Default Re: yet another timing issue!

timed.jpg

timed2.jpg

rotated.jpg

First two are timed and tensioned.

last is after rotating the engine twice.

its seems to be half a tooth off.
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Old 12 May 2016, 02:37 pm
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Default Re: yet another timing issue!

That should be considered, in time, in my opinion. There is no way to get out of time since there is nothing between the two cams except belt. Somebody let me know if I am missing something obvious.
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Old 12 May 2016, 03:38 pm
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I'm on here with my own issues.

But just some words from a non mechanic, take at your own risk.

I set bottom to timing mark. Then set the top as close as I can get. I use the bottom bolt to get the tension loose on the belt.

Then I release the tensioner, or set the tension. Depending on which style tensioner.

Set bottom to timing mark. Then check top with a ruler. I'm always off a tooth or so. I figure out how many teeth off on each side. Mark with marker where the belt and gear notch should meet.

Release tension, pull belt off/get belt to match up to your marks of marker. Then release tensioner or set the tension.

Set bottom to correct position. Make sure I'm all dead level up top. Sometimes it seems a hair off. I move the bottom gear until it's perfect up top, then see how far off I am down bottom. Sometimes you may find just a slight movement one way or another lines it up, up top. And the bottom is still where it should be.


I screwed it up twice. I hope if I ever do another ill get it right the first time. Haha

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Yep. That looks right. The left mark will be slightly higher. To check, take a ruler and put it on the outer marks. It should look like below. If it's off, I will look quite different.

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Old 13 May 2016, 10:24 am
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Default Re: yet another timing issue!

Although the point is somewhat clear with the above picture. The outer marks are never used in the timing setup. The two inner marks are to line up with the center line of the cam bolt holes. Using a straight edge. I believe if you check your marks that the bottom one will line up better than it is now. Then the tow cams will be closer that they are now. So it looks good to me.
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Update

buttoned everything up and car would not start!
Found I had no spark. After wasting half a day diagnosing it turned out I had
reversed the cam sensor plug with the ignition pack. They had to make them the same.

Started right up,
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Old 18 May 2016, 12:40 pm
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Update

buttoned everything up and car would not start!
Found I had no spark. After wasting half a day diagnosing it turned out I had
reversed the cam sensor plug with the ignition pack. They had to make them the same.

Started right up,
Yep, you read it happens many times!

Whomever designed those connectors to be exactly the same, in such close proximity to each other, has got to be laughing everytime they read a thread like this! There could have been so many ways this could have been avoided, like color coding them, or making the cam sensor a female and the coil a male, or something similar so there is no way that they can be switched.

Glad to hear you got it back running

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Old 18 May 2016, 02:38 pm
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Yep, you read it happens many times!

Whomever designed those connectors to be exactly the same, in such close proximity to each other, has got to be laughing everytime they read a thread like this! There could have been so many ways this could have been avoided, like color coding them, or making the cam sensor a female and the coil a male, or something similar so there is no way that they can be switched.

Glad to hear you got it back running
Well these days the plugs can be any sex they want. So still no help with that! Just a little current event humor.
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