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Old 04 Aug 2016, 04:46 pm
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I have an 01 Cruiser, non turbo, automatic, that's giving me fits and I'd really appreciate any help you might be able to offer.

The engine turns over, but very slowly and won't start. My battery was a few years old, so I assumed that was the problem and bought a new one. I hooked it up and the car does the same thing. I had the new battery tested and It's good. I'm not a mechanic and my only other guess is that the starter isn't putting out enough juice to spin the engine like it should, but I'd hate to pull it out and replace it and have the same problem.

I borrowed a jumper from a friend and we hooked it directly to the starter with the same results. Any ideas?


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Old 04 Aug 2016, 04:57 pm
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Are you getting any engine trouble codes?

Have you checked the wiring under the engine to see if they have dropped down hitting the half shaft shorting wires to ground keeping the charging circuit from fully charging the battery? Follow the crankshaft wiring from the crankshaft all the way to the PCM. The 2001 & 2002 PT Cruisers are common on the clip breaking that holds up the wire harness.

I would also suggest having a battery load test done to make sure your charging system is okay if the wire harness is okay. If you take the PT Cruiser to a auto parts store make sure they input the battery amps the battery is suppose to hold in the battery load tester. Some auto part stores don't train their employees very well and they simply key in 400 amps for a 4 cylinder engine.

I would make there is no shorts in the starting circuit pulling down the voltage when you are jumping it. What does the voltage go down to when you jump it?
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Old 04 Aug 2016, 05:03 pm
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I checked the codes, but after unhooking the battery, there are none. I didn't think to check the wiring under the engine, but I'll take a look.

Thank you very much, Steve!

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Old 04 Aug 2016, 07:54 pm
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Check to make sure the heavy ground from the battery to transmission bolt is clean and tight.
If your cables are good and not corroded, I would think its the starter since it may be 15 years old, brushes and bushing are probably worn and not making good contact.
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I have an 01 Cruiser, non turbo, automatic, that's giving me fits and I'd really appreciate any help you might be able to offer.

The engine turns over, but very slowly and won't start. My battery was a few years old, so I assumed that was the problem and bought a new one. I hooked it up and the car does the same thing. I had the new battery tested and It's good. I'm not a mechanic and my only other guess is that the starter isn't putting out enough juice to spin the engine like it should, but I'd hate to pull it out and replace it and have the same problem.

I borrowed a jumper from a friend and we hooked it directly to the starter with the same results. Any ideas?


Bob
Replaced your battery with a new, which was 'tested' . I assume when you say tested, it was loaded ? Hooking a friends battery jumper directly to the starter hot I'm assuming you were just paralleling the loads from both batteries.

Your process of elimination is very unscientific.
1. Isolate the battery as the cause. Perform a load test.
2. Inspect the positive cable to the starter for poor connections from the battery terminal.
3. Once battery is isolated as good, and wires are good, remove the starter and bring it to a special 'alternators and starters' repair shop for diagnostic. most have a minimum charge to look at it, but it's often a cheaper fix than buying a new one.
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I'd recommend checking all of your ground connections. Starting with the ones on the passenger side fender. The battery kind of hides them. Pull the battery out and you'll see them.
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Thank you for all your suggestions and I apologise for taking so long in responding. We're packing for a move and between that and working on my car about the only other thing I've done is sleep.

The problem I mentioned above ended up being the starter. I replaced it with a remanufactured starter that ended up being bad from the factory. The second one works fine.

In the meantime my car developed a water pump leak, so I replaced that. I have to say it wasn't fun replacing it in the driveway. I'm not a mechanic and I learned a lot. I broke the throttle position sensor at one point while jacking the engine and replaced that. Everything is back together and running well, but now I've got a little "tick" that I think is the cover touching the timing belt. I loosened the top bolt on the cover and moved it what little I could and it helped, but the noise is still there. I don't know if it will cause enough wear on the belt to cause it to break, but I do know that I sure don't want to tear everything back apart again. Then again, I suppose it would be the lesser of two evils.

_PTGT03, my process of elimination is very unscientific, to say the least. Until the water pump replacement above, the extent of my mechanic work has been replacing plugs and an occasional starter or alternator on other vehicles over the years.

Thanks again everybody, much appreciated.

Bob

I forgot to mention that after getting the new water pump installed and putting everything back together, it jumped time when I turned it over, so everything had to come back apart, re time and all back together again. The fun never ends.

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Thank you for all your suggestions and I apologise for taking so long in responding. We're packing for a move and between that and working on my car about the only other thing I've done is sleep.

The problem I mentioned above ended up being the starter. I replaced it with a remanufactured starter that ended up being bad from the factory. The second one works fine.

In the meantime my car developed a water pump leak, so I replaced that. I have to say it wasn't fun replacing it in the driveway. I'm not a mechanic and I learned a lot. I broke the throttle position sensor at one point while jacking the engine and replaced that. Everything is back together and running well, but now I've got a little "tick" that I think is the cover touching the timing belt. I loosened the top bolt on the cover and moved it what little I could and it helped, but the noise is still there. I don't know if it will cause enough wear on the belt to cause it to break, but I do know that I sure don't want to tear everything back apart again. Then again, I suppose it would be the lesser of two evils.

_PTGT03, my process of elimination is very unscientific, to say the least. Until the water pump replacement above, the extent of my mechanic work has been replacing plugs and an occasional starter or alternator on other vehicles over the years.

Thanks again everybody, much appreciated.

Bob

I forgot to mention that after getting the new water pump installed and putting everything back together, it jumped time when I turned it over, so everything had to come back apart, re time and all back together again. The fun never ends.
that's a big job. i'm glad it worked out for you. the advice here is to fully install and turn the engine over several times and re-checking timing alignment before re-installing the engine. cheers.
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Old 14 Aug 2016, 08:17 am
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Thanks _PTGT03, and also for the advice on checking the timing. Much appreciated.

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Thank you for all your suggestions and I apologise for taking so long in responding. We're packing for a move and between that and working on my car about the only other thing I've done is sleep.

The problem I mentioned above ended up being the starter. I replaced it with a remanufactured starter that ended up being bad from the factory. The second one works fine.

In the meantime my car developed a water pump leak, so I replaced that. I have to say it wasn't fun replacing it in the driveway. I'm not a mechanic and I learned a lot. I broke the throttle position sensor at one point while jacking the engine and replaced that. Everything is back together and running well, but now I've got a little "tick" that I think is the cover touching the timing belt. I loosened the top bolt on the cover and moved it what little I could and it helped, but the noise is still there. I don't know if it will cause enough wear on the belt to cause it to break, but I do know that I sure don't want to tear everything back apart again. Then again, I suppose it would be the lesser of two evils.

_PTGT03, my process of elimination is very unscientific, to say the least. Until the water pump replacement above, the extent of my mechanic work has been replacing plugs and an occasional starter or alternator on other vehicles over the years.

Thanks again everybody, much appreciated.

Bob

I forgot to mention that after getting the new water pump installed and putting everything back together, it jumped time when I turned it over, so everything had to come back apart, re time and all back together again. The fun never ends.
Wow! This is not good news?

Did the dealer have any new starters on stock or is the remanufactured ones the only ones they offer?
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