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Old 31 Jul 2017, 12:48 am
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I have to replace the head gasket on my Cruiser (2.4 non turbo and automatic trans 168K ). Which other than being a PITA is a doable job. I decided I'd pull the engine and replace some other seals and anything else I find.

So I started tearing it down this afternoon I'm at the point where every thing is out of the way. The only thing left would be to remove the bolts holding it to the transmission. My intent was to remove the engine from the top and remove the timing belt and and head with it on an engine stand.

Looking at where I am now it doesn't look there is enough room to separate the engine from the transmission. Even if I would remove the timing belt with the engine in the car it still looks too tight to pull the engine from the top.

Am I missing something? I did a search and really didn't find anything.
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Old 31 Jul 2017, 06:52 am
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I've not done it, personally, but I THINK it's recommended that you remove both of the axles and raise the car high enough to drop the engine and trans together from underneath. At least that's what I did with the 87 Horizon I had with a cracked flex plate.
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Old 31 Jul 2017, 06:58 am
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It'll fit. No hood, no radiator, overflow bottle, unbolt the ac compressor and leave it attached.... tons of space..

Or here check this out.
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Also, You may need beer. I didn't notice any beer in the parts pic.
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If Rob says it'll work then go for it. Just be sure to remove the bolt going through the flex plate to the torque converter first.
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Sung to the tune of.... Ok lets take it from the top...one...two...three.....da da dada da..dada ..dada da dada..
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I have to replace the head gasket on my Cruiser (2.4 non turbo and automatic trans 168K ). Which other than being a PITA is a doable job. I decided I'd pull the engine and replace some other seals and anything else I find.

So I started tearing it down this afternoon I'm at the point where every thing is out of the way. The only thing left would be to remove the bolts holding it to the transmission. My intent was to remove the engine from the top and remove the timing belt and and head with it on an engine stand.

Looking at where I am now it doesn't look there is enough room to separate the engine from the transmission. Even if I would remove the timing belt with the engine in the car it still looks too tight to pull the engine from the top.

Am I missing something? I did a search and really didn't find anything.
With 168,000 on the clock, you might want to find a low mileage engine and do a timing belt maint on it.
Pulling the engine, brings to mind the exhaust pipe will be in the way. Either way the bolts have been difficult to remove due to rust in PA..
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Sung to the tune of.... Ok lets take it from the top...one...two...three.....da da dada da..dada ..dada da dada..
Seems like a lot of characters to type "Check the FSM"
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i was going to offer to send him the alldatapro info but after reading it, it seems unnecessary..


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20. Remove starter motor (Fig. 17).

21. Remove lower starter-to-transaxle bellhousing lower bolt and position starter motor out of the way.

22. Remove gearshift cable bracket. Position cable out of the way.

23. Remove four drive plate-to-torque converter bolts.

24. Support engine assembly with screw jack and wood block.

25. Remove transmission upper mount to bracket bolts (Fig. 18).

26. Lower engine/transaxle to gain access to and remove transaxle-to-engine bolts (Fig. 19).

27. Remove transaxle from vehicle.
i do know when i took my 5-speed out it was possible to have the engine/trans hanging too low, causing it to hit the subframe. there's a happy medium in there.
it's more annoying putting it back IN. you might pick it up 5x trying to jam it in there before you get the perfect "not too high/no too low" height that let it come out (:
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I pulled mine out the top. There is room, be patient.
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Seems like a lot of characters to type "Check the FSM"
I think if I am not mistaken that the FSM procedure is to pull it from the bottom? The reason I made a playful response is that as a rule I am a BY THE FSM kinda guy and suggesting pulling it from the top may have been questioned. I actually have done it both ways and personally found and have recommend for more advanced and experienced DYI to pull it from the top.
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