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Old 27 Dec 2017, 04:26 pm
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Itís an 05 non turbo 178k miles. Timing belt broke had never been changed before. After replacement and water pump everything lines up. All timing marks are good from hand cranking. When trying to start the starter goes but the motor doesnít crank. As in the cams and crank donít move when the starter goes. Starter makes a whining sound not a clicking. Any advise?
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Old 27 Dec 2017, 04:32 pm
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maybe the bendix is just stuck. did you try tapping on the starter while someone bumps the key?
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Old 27 Dec 2017, 05:28 pm
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Is the engine still apart or is everything back together?

I would suggest checking to make sure all the wires going to the starter are connected and making good contact. Hard to believe the starter would go bad right after the replacing the timing belt. Was any of the wires going to the starter removed. If so some members have reinstalled the starter wires in the wrong starter post.
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Old 27 Dec 2017, 06:32 pm
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I'm inclined to agree with Rob. I'd definitely try whacking the starter and see what happens. A car with that many miles on it wouldn't surprise me if the starter is shot.
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Old 31 Dec 2017, 09:27 pm
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I'd definitely try whacking the starter and see what happens.


NNNnnooo. Modern starters use permanent magnets that will crack if the field housing is struck too hard. The will permanently damage the starter.

Striking the starter in the old days worked to jar stuck / nearly worn down brushes in an attempt to make enough contact for one last go round. This was possible due to wound field coils that could tolerate striking.


If the starter motor spins but the engine does not, the starter drive one way clutch is slipping.

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Old 31 Dec 2017, 10:02 pm
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Still works for me

I have beat a starter to failure, but it was a lot of pounding. Tap tap tap still works for a few months, no?
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Old 31 Dec 2017, 11:31 pm
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I agree with rob32 and chuzz, taking into account the limited clearance on a PT you might need to be a magician or contortionist in order to whack a starter on one hard enough to bust up the magnets.
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Make sure there is a full charge on the battery or and use a charger with a boost .
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Old 01 Jan 2018, 08:52 am
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A long bar works wonders when dealing with limited clearance.

Regardless, if the starter motor spins, the brushes are making contact and the starter solenoid is moving. In cold weather grease in the starter drive gets stiff and the one way clutch can slip.

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The spare starter I have is made by Mitsubishi not Bosch as I had previously stated. I'm not sure if these suffer the same gear train breakage as the Bosch units. It looks like a Bosch NEON starter would bolt up so there is a chance it was swapped at some point.

The starters on what looks to be pre 03 NEONS are made by Bosch, they are an inline gear reduction type that uses a planetary gear set. The ring gear can split ( plastic on lower power starters ) leaving the starter motor to spin but the drive won't.

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