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Old 08 Dec 2019, 10:02 pm
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Just a guess, but maybe a seized wheel bearing ?
Nope. I replaced the wheel bearings on both sides when my brother first bought the car.

The trans does nothing when the shift lever is moved and the wheels are locked up solid. I won't know anythign else until I get the time to disassemble and do some inspection.
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Old 09 Dec 2019, 01:46 am
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Thanks for the responses.

To be clear, the car had been driving fine for several weeks before this trans issue. The shift lever on the top of the transmission rotates when the shifter in the car is moved. The axles were replaced with new ones when I rebuilt the brakes all around. I did place the car in neutral and push it back and forth and the front wheels are still locked up.

This all leads me to believe that either the clutches are completely gone, the range indicator has failed, the trans control module has failed, and/or the shift solenoids have failed.

Given the fact the trans has 220,000+ miles on it, I suppose anything is possible. I guess I need to bite the bullet and pull the valve body, inspect the fluid, and see what, if anything, moves inside the transmissionwhen the shifter is moved. What I find there will dictate the next steps I take.
I have before experienced where a transmission can't move from park it was due to losing all the fluid.
One theory of mine is the mechanical fluid pump cant direct the fluid where it needs to go to operate the functions; maybe a pressure loss. See if there's a way to test for oil pressure. I assume you checked oil level already.
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Old 19 Dec 2019, 01:11 pm
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UPDATE:

I finally got the chance to spend some time looking at this transmission. With the front on jack stands the front wheels spin freely, even in park. That is worrying, but at least it eliminates the brakes and differential as possible problems.

I dropped the pan and found lots of shavings and even some big silver chunks. The magnet was thoroughly coated with black fuzz and it has been quite a while since the filter was changed. The fluid (it was full, by the way) was brown, but didn't smell burnt.

I pulled the output speed sensor and the tip was covered with metal shavings.

I have a solenoid pack rebuild kit arriving today and hope to have the solenoid pack rebuilt, the valve body disassembled, cleaned and rebuilt, and the range sensor all done by the end of the day tomorrow. Fingers crossed that a thorough cleaning, new fluid, new filter, and replacement of a few sensors will fix the transmission.

I tried to attach pictures but this forum's attachment size limits are absurd. If I can get photobucket working I will post pictures.

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Old 20 Dec 2019, 08:15 am
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Try imgur.com for your photos. Works for me.
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Old 20 Dec 2019, 12:39 pm
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If you take off the transmission pan off get a new one with the drain plug if the trans is still okay.
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Old 20 Dec 2019, 02:22 pm
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If you take off the transmission pan off get a new one with the drain plug if the trans is still okay.
I like the way you think, but I am trying to keep this project as cheap as possible. If I end up rebuilding the trans I will add a drain plug to the current pan. Because, really, how often does one drain the trans fluid, anyway? Is it worth buying a whole new pan just to get a drain plug? The math doesn't work for me, but others' experiences and preferences may vary.
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Old 12 Jan 2020, 11:10 am
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Glibbis, whats the prognosis?
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Old 12 Jan 2020, 11:47 am
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I like the way you think, but I am trying to keep this project as cheap as possible. If I end up rebuilding the trans I will add a drain plug to the current pan. Because, really, how often does one drain the trans fluid, anyway? Is it worth buying a whole new pan just to get a drain plug? The math doesn't work for me, but others' experiences and preferences may vary.
A new trans pan with the drain plug is 7 dollars. Is buying just the drain plug that much cheaper?

I replaced my trans pan with one that has the plug to change the trans oil every 10,000 miles after my Pt Cruiser reached 100,000 miles. It now has 126,000 on the trans with the trans having no problems.
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Old 12 Jan 2020, 02:52 pm
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chunks in the pan is catastrophic failure, not worth wasting fresh fluid and filter.
or wasting time rebuilding the solenoid pack. Find one with fairly clean fluid and NO chunks in the pan. No fun changing the trans but thats where your going to end up.
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Old 12 Jan 2020, 03:12 pm
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chunks in the pan is catastrophic failure, not worth wasting fresh fluid and filter.
or wasting time rebuilding the solenoid pack. Find one with fairly clean fluid and NO chunks in the pan. No fun changing the trans but thats where your going to end up.
if the trans is making metal then, yes, the trans is toast
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