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Old 04 Aug 2008, 01:06 pm
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Default Impending turbo doom, or just a clogged oil return line causing whine and smoke?

Model: 2004 GT Cruiser (see attached for detail)

Metrage: 81,000km (51,000miles)

Problem:

I have a new high pitched howl or whine coming from the turbo unit which varies in pitch, while rpm remains constant. Also blue smoke in the exhaust when I operate in 3rd gear at 3000 RPM for 20 seconds. It just started to happen all of a sudden. Before that, turbo was whisper quiet

I pulled the vacuum lines for wastegate and surge valve (similar to BOV), no change in sound other than WG doesn't kick in, so the sound happens all the time.

No damage to turbine visible, and no end play and no side-side play in turbine shaft. No boost pressure at any RPM.

No Engine codes. I pulled the plug on the WGA Solenoid, then I got P0243, but that code cleared after I put the plug back on and did a few key-on cycles.

Removed surge valve (see my other post today on that topic). Not stuck. Operated WGA lever by hand. Not stuck.

Turbine spins when engine revs but stops quite abruptly when engine drops to idle. Turbine turns smoothly by hand, no drag or roughness.

No unusual or harsh driving conditions. Do not usually do idle cooldown. Do not use syntehtic oil. Change oil every 3000 miles (5000km).

Q1: Is turbo dead and about to explode, or do I just have a blocked oil return line?

Q2: Recomendations for exhaust manifold/turbo replacement? I prefer to stay OEM, or something very conservative.

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Old 25 Aug 2008, 10:25 pm
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Default Re: Impending turbo doom, or just a clogged oil return line causing whine and smoke?

From the looks of your compressor inlet picture, it looks as if your blades are rubbing the inlet. You can see the scalloped areas in each blade where they run closely by the inlet walls. Your bearing is probably shot and the shaft has a lot of play in it. The exhaust pressure could be loading up the shaft causing it to wobble a bit and leak oil into the exhaust. When the engine is off, it still turns freely. Get someone to lay real eyes on it instead of taking my word for it though.

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Old 31 Aug 2008, 01:36 pm
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Default Re: Impending turbo doom, or just a clogged oil return line causing whine and smoke?

If you are getting blue smoke your seals are shot in the turbo, bearings are going bad and you are about to lunch it. It could just stop spinning or it could disintegrate and your engine could swallow chunks of turbine and bearings. I would replace sooner rather than later. You can rebuild the turbo if the housing isn't chewed up. You can get a rebuild kit with superior bearings. Have you been using dino or synth?
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Old 02 Sep 2008, 08:15 pm
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Default Re: Impending turbo doom, or just a clogged oil return line causing whine and smoke?

Gentlemen,

You are both correct. Thank-you for your expert analysis. The unit has been replaced by Chrysler under warrranty. Now here is the kicker. It wasn't the dino oil (yes I will use synth now, I already got the lecture) it was the sludge which plugged the coolant line.

Here is a disturbing factoid: The long life coolant turns to sludge as water boils off via a leaky rad cap (which I may or may not have, plan to flush coolant this weekend).

More details here:

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Replacement options:

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The poop on the rad fluid:

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Old 06 Sep 2008, 09:16 am
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glad you got it fixed !!
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Old 05 Oct 2008, 04:14 am
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Default Re: Impending turbo doom, or just a clogged oil return line causing whine and smoke?

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More details here:

Better photo:

PTCrew.com - Learn it or Burn it.

Replacement options:

PTCrew.com - Learn it or Burn it.

The poop on the rad fluid:

PTCrew.com - Learn it or Burn it.
The pics arent accessible without user/password, but would be interesting. Maybe you could post them here?

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