Intercooler spray?

[GLH_TC 16V]

OK, I've run some VERY preliminary numbers and the pricing looks very good so far. I still haven't factored in packaging or shipping, those are the major cost increasing factors at the moment. For those that are interested in an intercooler spray solution, what would you expect to pay for say, 1 litre (~1/4 gallon) of pre-mixed solution?

As for the questions:

TripleJackInGA: The solution is an organic chemical (non-toxic and biodegradeable) which can absorb incredible amounts of heat (per unit) and is water soluble. The commercial name for the solution is Cold Fire.

Punch: Nope... it is not freon. It is NOT cold to the touch and it comes in liquid form. No special handling requirements, no environment concerns, indefinite shelf life.

SteelBlueGT: I'm not sure what the setup for the turbo toys are going to be, we'd have to ask 3BarBoost for more specifics. If the turbo toys intercooler sprayer will have a separate resevoir tank, then YES you can use this fluid. If the turbo toys are going to draw the windshield washer fluid to spray, then NO, as I don't know how Cold Fire works for cleaning your windows.

sakigt: Not sure if it will be "track legal" as no one from the track safety has had a look at the product yet. I think that if we can find nozzles that spray a fine enough mist, then the intercooler will hold the fluid on the surface and it won't drip onto the track. The Cold Fire itself is non-slip but should be mixed with water for application through nozzle spraying. One good blast of the intercooler/radiator before you make a drag pass should hold you for the entire run.

We conducted some non-scientific testing today and the initial results were quite impressive.

We soaked a few rags/towels in flamable solutions: Liquid Wrench, Scotch Guard, Spray Paint and 87 Octane Gasoline. We lit each rag with a blow torch until the rag was engulfed in flames. We sprayed the Cold Fire solution on the rag in 1 or 2 quick bursts. The flames were immediately extinguished and we were able to pick up the rags immediately thereafter with our bare hands. The rags were warm, but not hot. We then tried re-ingniting the rags with the blow torch for approximately 30 seconds... non of the rags were able to re-ingnite.

Our last test was to ingnite a pot of the 87 Octane Gasoline with the blow torch. Once the pots was on fire (3ft flames were leaping from the surface) we sprayed the Cold Fire solution onto/into the burning gasoline. After approximately 5 seconds of spray, the gasoline fire was extinguished. We could touch the gasoline and it was not hot at all. We then attempted to re-ingnite the gasoline/Cold Fire mixture with the blow torch for over 1 minute but it would not catch on fire again.

More testing to come.....

[Punch]

just a note to animal lovers everywhere, this product has been tested on "animals"

http://www.coldfiresales.com
http://www.flatlanderracing.com/heatcoldfire.html
http://www.designengineering.com/products.html <--- manufacturer....

[Black04Turbo]

well this sounds like something I would rather drench myself in before going into a fire more then spraying it on my intercooler but that is just me

[TripleJackInGA]

Punch - I was looking for something on that web site that says they doused a chipmunk with transmission fluid, 110 Octane, Rice Crispies, and bacon bits,lit him on fire, then doused him with Cold Fire, and they could then pick him up with their bare hands.He was a little warm, and twitching, but they couldn't re-ignite him after trying for over a minute with a blow torch.

GLH - It sounds like a good plan so far. One other thing I would look at is what is the possibility of Cold Fire building up a residue over time on the surface and within the fins of the Intercooler?

Just something else to consider.

[crazyjoe]

quote:Originally posted by GLH_TC 16V


We conducted some non-scientific testing today and the initial results were quite impressive.

We soaked a few rags/towels in flamable solutions: Liquid Wrench, Scotch Guard, Spray Paint and 87 Octane Gasoline. We lit each rag with a blow torch until the rag was engulfed in flames. We sprayed the Cold Fire solution on the rag in 1 or 2 quick bursts. The flames were immediately extinguished and we were able to pick up the rags immediately thereafter with our bare hands. The rags were warm, but not hot. We then tried re-ingniting the rags with the blow torch for approximately 30 seconds... non of the rags were able to re-ingnite.

Our last test was to ingnite a pot of the 87 Octane Gasoline with the blow torch. Once the pots was on fire (3ft flames were leaping from the surface) we sprayed the Cold Fire solution onto/into the burning gasoline. After approximately 5 seconds of spray, the gasoline fire was extinguished. We could touch the gasoline and it was not hot at all. We then attempted to re-ingnite the gasoline/Cold Fire mixture with the blow torch for over 1 minute but it would not catch on fire again.

More testing to come.....

I'm not sure those test are that impressive. If your solution is a fire retardant, then of course you will have to burn it off the rags before it will ignite anything.

As for the gasoline, since you are only burning the topmost part of the gasoline, and heat rises much better than it falls, it's not so surprising that it wouldn't be hot to the touch once you quenched the fire.

Not to say you don't have a good product there, of that I can't be sure, but those tests really are about as useful as showing me how well a ginsu knife can cut through a beer can....that's not what I use my ginsu knives for.

[Punch]

quote:Originally posted by TripleJackInGA

Punch - I was looking for something on that web site that says they doused a chipmunk with transmission fluid, 110 Octane, Rice Crispies, and bacon bits,lit him on fire, then doused him with Cold Fire, and they could then pick him up with their bare hands.He was a little warm, and twitching, but they couldn't re-ignite him after trying for over a minute with a blow torch.

they tested it on animals to see what it would do to humans, eg in the eyes, on the skin , inhaled etc...

[LAF]

Punch,
GREAT links, the jig is up.

Radiator additive, 50% faster warm up time in winter, with 30 dergees cooler. One quart to the cooling system.

3Bar,
What are we looking at with this coolant we are running, and this radiater additive?

The Cold Fire is 25 bucks for 32 oz. Can get 5 to 55 gal drums also. It seems to be EXTREMLY efficiant so less in a fine mist, means we can use a smaller tank to hold and use this.

I will order both Radiator and a 32 oz of Cold Fire and play. Cold fire says it WILL not stress metal when is abzorbs heat.

[3BarBoost]

LAF, could you clarify a little what you want to know?

Personally I am a little concerned about a product that purports to lower the specific heat of water by 50%. If my cooling system were filled with something that poor a working fluid, I would worry about overheating even in the winter.

Anybody else notice how fast your Turbo warms up? Thats because we run water through the turbo. One of the side benefits of water cooled bearings...

Oh yeah, the S2 sprayer uses the windershield washer bottle and pump. An external reservoir is easy to plumb if you so desire.

[LAF]

3bar,

If you look at that second link Punch posted you will see this additive.

What I am wondering is what it the G-5 coolant differance versus "reg" anti-freeze? Is it just a tree hugger thing for our enviorment? It also says it will lower the operating temp 30 degrees. Also it is not filling our system, it is 1 quart to the system.

[phatdad]

The radiator cold fire sounds somewhat like Red Line water wetter.I could see the benefit of runnin a colder spray on a intercooler but not just sprayin water. I used to run a big block with a cool can . Picture a coffee can with a fuel line coiled inside of it and a chunk of dry ice in the center of that it made a difference. Ant thought of precoolin the fuel thanks.