lowering kit

[nevinsrt]

its springs and struts from the same company and not miss matched setup.

[wheelgarage]

Originally Posted by muzicmax

I am still not sure if we can get them to work yet as I just havn't had time at this week, work is killin me lol...........What is a H&R Cup Kit? What does it do?

From the net.....



H&R Cup Kits
Since a well engineered suspension system centers around correctly engineered springs and shock absorbers, Livermore Performance offers H&R's Cup Kits to take the guess work out of suspension tuning. Consisting of application specific spring and shock combinations, these kits represent a greater commitment to radical looks and improved handling, but still remain faithful to H&R's street engineered design philosophy.

H&R Sport Cup Kits:
Featuring lowering of more than 2.0", H&R Sport Cup Kits are the ideal solution for those that want a street-engineered performance suspension with super-low looks.

H&R Touring Cup Kits:
H&R designed the Touring Cup Kit line for enthusiasts that want less lowering while retaining the same high level of performance offered by the standard Cup Kit. On average the Touring Cup Kits lower the vehicle ride height about 1.5". Compared to the Sport Cup Kit, these provide slightly more comfort and less lowering.

I installed the Sport Kit, 2" front, 1.7" in the rear. German performance.....

[muzicmax]

Well I am at a stand.........I bought some coil spring spacers and put those on and it stops the springs from clanking and they are in there tight now. The only thing is the spacers are 1" so I lost a inch of the lowering...insted of 3.25 in the back it is 1 inch higher more like 2.25 lower..it looks not bad but not the look I wanted. We put them in without the spacer and still get that clanking noise going over a bump. Man I am just lost! All that came in the box was the springs. I dunno what the hell to do anymore except take em back out of the car and throw em in the river

[Candyman]

Hey their muzicmax,

Sorry to hear your still having problems with your Springs man! Honestly, I have been involved in lowered several PT's over the last few years now from mild to fully slammed, used several different kits including several Goldline Super Slammers, and even used my own custom made kits, and this is the first time I have ever heard of anyone having this kind of trouble like this ever! The parts are pretty simple and straight forward, as is the installation, and everything really should fit without continuous problems like this. It just doesn't make sense to me as to what the heck could be causing this problem for you here. Their has to be something hanging up on the back of the car. Weather it might actually be the wrong size of springs, an issue with the sway bar, or an issue with possibly oversize shocks, or maybe air shocks, or something, their has to be a reason why your kit inst fitting properly.

Have you tried taking your PT to another Shop that does Suspension, and gotten a second opinion on this, or is your "backyard mechanic" the only one who has been involved thus far in your ongoing situation? I am not knocking your Mechanic, but sometimes a second pair of eyes can be helpful in situations like this, and if you are having such an odd problem like this, I would advise taking it to a Shop that specializes in Suspension and have them take a look and see if they might be able to spot the problem right quick and see if they might be able to either fix it, or tell you what is wrong so you can resolve this once and for all and be done with it!

Or, can you get to somewhere and have someone put it up on a lift so you can take some good clear pic's of the spring problems, and the rear end so I can hopefully try to help you troubleshoot your issue from here?

Like I say, their has to be a reasonable explanation to this! You already have the kit, your already into this project. I would try to exhaust all avenues before giving up on it! Like I say, I would take it to a professional, or if you like take some good pics and I will give you my best advice on what might be wrong, and how to hopefully correct the problem, but its up to you.

I wish you the best of luck, and let me know if you would like me to see if I can help you try to figure it out.

Candyman

[Chromenut]

That's really weird. After taking the shocks off the rear of mine, and carefully lowering the axel, my springs almost fell out. I pulled them out, put the H&R's on the same exact spring pads, reconnected the shocks, and they are tight in place. Had to cut the bumpstops down about 1.5", but other than that they are perfect. No noises at all from the back end. Has anyone dorked with your Watts link?

[muzicmax]

Thanks Candyman and Chromenut...
Well I was there with him and we both tried different things.
First thing we did was put the springs in as they were supposed to be.
we undid everything that had to be un done to put them in.
Tightened everything up as normal. The springs were loose still with everything back in order. Basicaly on the hoist with everything tight if you pulled hard enough on them you could pull them out with your hand. I took it for a test drive and it still "clunked" when going over the smallest bump...
We raised it again and and cut the sway bar linkage aprox 3 ins and welded them back together and that didn't make a difference the only thing that kept em compressed enough was the 1 in spacer. When on the hoist with the spacer installed, the springs don't budge(just like factory). The shocks are the original shocks that came with the car I don't think there was anything wrong with them. I am starting to think the springs are too small almost if that is possible or Like the car isn't heavy enough to compress them tight. Now that I think about it after reading Chromenuts post when I looked at the bump stops he cut them but I wonder if he cut them enough because the springs really don't need alot to make them tight, mabey half a inch or a bit more mabey..what if I basicaly cut them right down would that make the ride awfull if I hit a bump? I noticed they weren't really cut even or straight across. I just figured he had cut them alot because I had told him previously they had to be cut about a inch but I didn't see them before he cut them the first time so I have no idea how much was cut or how big they were to start with. He is a good mechanic but sometimes he has no commen sense..like he can't comprehand or look ahead..like when I told him if we put the 1 inch spacer in that we would loose a inch but he said no because that's about how much we need to make em tight..and sure enough we lost that inch. How long are those bump stops in there original state? Would that be a problem if they were not cut enough?
Well you know what it looks like under there so I believe the "clunking noise is from the spring banging back and forth in the top holder coming out of that nib when hitting a bump and the falling back into place. The kit is the Gold-Line GL-0301 Pt Cruiser Super Slam kit. All that was in the box were the springs yellow with the trade mark Gold line printed on them. Is there something missing from the kit?
I am going to another custom street place that does this kind of stuff and see what they have to say. After looking for myself the job should be a 15 min swap if that and my teenage daughter could do it. I actually felt bad for freakin out on my mechanic. I am pretty good with mechanical stuff but I just don't have the tools or a garage anymore or I would of done it myself from the get go....Anyway I'll let ya know what the pros have to say tomorrow.......................Thanks Guys I really appreciate your help!

[Candyman]

Hey their muzicmax,

Good to hear your going to swing by and have someone else take a look at it. No problem, We got your back, and really want to help you get to the bottom of it! I hope you can find a good explanation for what is going on with it. At this point, I am really interested in knowing what is up as I like I say, I have never heard of anything like this before. Keep us up on it.

Thanks,

Candyman

[muzicmax]

Originally Posted by Candyman

Hey their muzicmax,

Good to hear your going to swing by and have someone else take a look at it. No problem, We got your back, and really want to help you get to the bottom of it! I hope you can find a good explanation for what is going on with it. At this point, I am really interested in knowing what is up as I like I say, I have never heard of anything like this before. Keep us up on it.

Thanks,

Candyman

Alright fella's.........try not to roll of your seat from laughing so much...I figured out the problem.
I hoisted it up again and had a good look again..I could'nt see anything wrong. Put it down and got some heavy guy to climb up on the bumper and jump up and down while I stuck my head down there and had a look. Well it wasn't the springs or the shocks. It was the muffler pipe bangn' on the axle.
I had the duel exchaust set up on my car and the Y pipe was going right across the axle and that was all the noise. Soooooooooooooooooooooo after redesigning the duel exchaust pipes and making a large pipe to clear the axle I never had a problem. It looks GREAT! Now that I feel like a a$$ and am embarresed to shit about it, I just wanted to say thank you to everyone that tried to help me out especialy Candyman. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Here are the pictures............................

[Candyman]

Hey their muzicmax,

So good to hear ya got her figured out! This one was really starting to get me going as I had never ran into any problems on anything, so I couldn't get my head around what the heck was going on! Though I really still kinda think, if your Mechanic was having all this noise coming from that vicinity, and he was evidently all over that thing as he should have been, one would think he might have caught that while looking all over to make double sure everything was in order, especially if he had been under their multiple times looking! But, in the big picture, everything worked out, and ya gotta love the stance!

It always looks much better with a little altitude adjustment for sure!

Go easy, and enjoy your ride!!!

Candyman

[AlTheKiller]

a bit of a newb question, but with these two kits all it is, is 4 new springs?

im use to going up not down and there are quite a few other things that you gotta get to make it work